experts of the m-60ti and m-80ti - Axiom Message Boards

My basement HT is 15X25 with 10 foot ceilings. The 52" TV will be on a long wall. I have purchased the denon 3805, outlaw sub,qs8's, VP 150 center, I have the cash for either the m60ti or the m80ti...Do I just say..."ah the heck with it, the bigger the better" and go with M-80ti, or do I show some fiscal responsibilty and go with m60ti?
I've read you post's for months now and I really appreciate your thoughts. Most have said the only drawback of the m60ti's is the lack of low end base. I've got a good subwoofer...so is this enough or will I notice a marked improvement and audible "NIRVANA" with the m80ti's
Thanks Guys!

I guess I would say with a sub like the Outlaw, you'd probably be fine with the M60s. I have the M60s, and am curious to try the 80s someday...but I have a home theater set similar to yours in a room size similar to yours. Honestly, you could go either way. If you have the money, it could be fun to say..."I can go no higher!"
But the 60s are no slouch. I'm quite happy with them and can't imagine that I would need more.

But when I say that I'd like to try the 80s, this is coming from a guy who likes to "play". I plan on buying, moving around, adding another room set. So I don't mind doubling up speakers...I just move the other ones to another room.

If you have the money to say, ah what the heck, I'd say do the 80s. If not the 60s will pretty much get you where you'd want to go in any application.

Though I guess I haven't asked one of the critial questions, which is how far you'd be sitting from the front speakers...?

Thanks misfit, I'll be 11 feet from the Tv and the front speakers

At 11 feet I'd have to give the nod to the M60s.

But I'm sure others will chime in. It'd be nice to hear from people who own the 80s, and there are some on this forum who do.

Good luck with your decision. Very exciting times indeed!

Ditto...I think you'll love the M60's.

Welcome Jac,

Your room could very well do the M80s,11 feet away should be fine I sit 13 feet away from mine.I have them in a room that is 15x20 and they sound great.You already have a reciever that can handle a 4 ohm load so that is a none issue.

If the extra money for the 80s is ok then I would say what the heck go for it you will not regret it.

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If the extra money for the 80s is ok then I would say what the heck go for it you will not regret it

he says this as the blood has just stopped dripping from his ringing ears, after a long listening session.

sometimes, you have to resist the 'bigger is better' theory.. the 60's will be more than enough. but, if you are into going completely deaf, then go ahead and spring for the 80's.

bigjohn

"fiscal resposibility" is overrated.

I love my m60's for my HT. My total basement room size is about 30' x 30' and the HT portion is about 15' x 25' with 9' ceilings. Using Denon 2805

You guys are the best...I'm laughing as I read them. I'll be fiscally irresponsible and deaf!!
What did you say?
Jac

I can't hear ya with all the blood dripping from my ears

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If you have a sub the 60s will work great, I agree that the Bass could be better but just cross them at 60 or 80 and they sound great.

P.S. I'd still go M80s even with 2 subs. Bigger looks Badder when friends and family come over

You'll only need a sub with the M60's for movies. Set 'em to large and they'll output plenty of bass for 90% of music.

Funny, I have the Outlaw sub and about the same size room as you do. I love my M60's and do not need much more from them. With the savings that you get from going with the M60's I would go with dual Outlaw subs. I will be going that route once my wife turns her back on me. You will be very happy with the M60's but if you are still wondering you may want to check the Axiom listings to see if an M80 and an M60 owner is in your area.

I have heard that the M80's are a little more of a difficult to place and they are a power hungry set. If you do go the M80 route you may want an amp.

I am most certainly no expert.....that being said, why not buy both, try them and send the number two set back. You have thirty days to make up your mind. A hundred bucks or less in shipping will buy a lot of piece of mind and you won't have to listen all our opinions, which differ greatly.

I am being somewhat selfish in this as I would just love to here a comparative audition between the two sets. I don't think anyone's done that before.

One definite plus the 80's have, is they just plain look sexy with the covers off - if that matters to you. When I throw a party the covers usually get pulled off with a few OOH's and AWH's.

Oh, you won't need two Owtlaws, they pump a lot of air. Mine's in a much larger area than you have and I keep it set at the min X over, volume at around 11 o'clock.

Big John my good buddy, you can go deaf with the M60's

I was listening to music (5ch stereo) at -5.5 db (Denon AVR-3805) for about 25 minutes, then the remaining ten minutes at 0db (just cause) and the protection circuit on my receiver activated and shut the receiver off o.O

Apparently (as a friend came over) he could here my music at the end of the street (about 10 houses away), and the only thing open was my little basement wndow...

To the OP: You'll love the 60's, I know I do.

- D

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I have heard that the M80's are a little more of a difficult to place and they are a power hungry set.

The M80s are not power hungry with a efficency rating of 95db.That is well above average.The Denon reciever should have no problems driving the 80s.As far as them being hard to place that myth was put to rest in the latest newsletter!

Wid, I agree. The M80's are like any other loudspeaker as far as placement. They are not "touchy" when it comes to setting up. I placed mine 18" from the back wall and about 10' apart with a very slight toe in. These puppies are very efficient and they don't require gobs of power. Although they can handle 400 Watts and I heard that they can handle a lot more.

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As far as them being hard to place that myth was put to rest in the latest newsletter!

Well Rick, I hate to disagree with you, but you got on my case when you felt I was posting less than truthful statements about the M80s and placement, so I feel it's only proper that I correct yours.

What was put to rest in the newsletter was the misstatement that ALAN said they were hard to place in all cases. What he said was they are difficult to place in a small space. In the newsletter Alan said:

"My comments about the M80ti's relate to setting them up in smaller rooms where there isn't a lot of elbowroom to move stuff around."

"In an average room like mine (19 x 14 x 9 ft.), jammed with other speakers and equipment, where I sit no more than 10 feet back, you can't just plunk M80ti's down and expect to get a perfect soundstage. You have to experiment, moving them away from corners, out from the wall behind them and adjusting toe-in."

Divot has a room a bit larger than Alan's and might not have any placement problems with the M80s whatsoever. Regardless, there have been several forum members who have posted they experienced difficulty in placing the M80s. One reached the point where he finally sold them and moved on to other speakers. I think the fair way to say it is, some people have had problems in placing the M80s, others (like you) haven't.

Thus, to characterize the M80s placement difficulties as a "myth" is as untrue as to say they are difficult to place in every room, regardless of size.

Jack,

Fair enough,I will not argue the fact that they could be more challenging to place in a small room,as would most tower speakers.Alan did say you just can't plunk them(M80s) down and expect a to get a perfect sound stage,can a person do this with any speaker and expect them to sound their best?

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can a person do this with any speaker and expect them to sound their best?

Of course not. It's just that some are more difficult than others.

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Of course not. It's just that some are more difficult than others.

O.K.

Ajax,

The M80's are a dream to set up compared to most (in the average room). I do HT and home automation for a living. However, I'm sure the M22's are a cake walk compared to everything. A couple of weeks ago I installed a set of RBH T-3’s, these puppies where difficult to say the least but they sure sound sweet and will give you goose bumps.

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I wouldn’t want the M80’s in a small room. I’m sure given the right amount of time I could make them sing.

Tom

My bad for repeating what I heard out there. He asked opinions and got mine. I have not heard the M80s so I have no idea how hard/easy they are to place. Just wanted to throw it out there becuase if he did go down the M80 road and DID find they were an issue to place then he would look to us asking why we never mentioned it at all.

I would still go out there and listen to both. We can all give our thoughts but your ears will tell you where to go in the end. If you do not listen to them and go with the M80 you will always wonder if you could have saved $$ by going with the M60's. If you go with the M60's without an audition you will always wonder if you should have spent a little more and gone for it all with the M80's.

I should also say that we use specialized tools that make our jobs easier. The average person probably doesn't own this type of test equipment and software. If interested in VERY good test software at an affordable price try looking at TrueRTA software. It helps finding and resolving issues. http://www.trueaudio.com/

Jack,

My reply was meant with no disrespect,I was agreeing with you.Your reply with the smiley face made me laugh so I showed it in my reply.....thats all.

I have always respected your opinions and will continue to do so.

Rick, I took no offense, and meant none. I was just having fun with smileys. I love the "see no evil; speak no evil, hear no evil" smiley.

Jack,

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