I'm just about convinced to jump on the Axiom's but I have one last question. I currently have the Paradigm Monitor series V.3 M5, 370 and MM. I'm torn between the Studios 20 and cc470 setup or the Axiom M60, VP150 and QS8. My concern is between the center channels. Is the VP150 going to match the clarity, and imaging of the CC470? My current receiver is a HK525,the sub is a HSU VTF-2 and the room is roughly 12x20*7.5. Thanks
I can't really answer your question because I have no experience with the Paradigm. I do have the 150, though.
There is at least one forum member who preferred a Paradigm center to the 150 (GeneticDrift). Hopefully he'll chime in here and explain why.
But, should the 150 prove lacking, you can return it within 30 days for any reason. Though I would understand a reluctance to do so, based on the PITA factor, it's not difficult, and wouldn't cost much. Axiom has a return center in Buffalo, NY. So, it's not like you'd have to return it to Canada.
OMG, your monitors you currently have are better than the axiom route (IMHO only, based on my personal taste) with the exception of the monitor 5's, the m60s will be better than the monitor 5's. There is no question the studio line is way superior to the axiom setup but you may just want to keep what you have and get something like the monitor 11's for your fronts.
Personally I find the Axioms have a better sound than the Paradigms. They are clearler and have better detail, accuracy and soundstage.
Paradigms, in general, sound more flat and bloaty in the bass region to me. that sound appeals to a lot of people because it's not harsh to listen to badly recorded material. however, if you like a lot of well recorded material, Axiom tops Paradigm.
again that is ravi_singh opion only. i dont think anyone on the face of the earth will disagree the paradigm studio line will trounce the axioms hands down in every concieveable catagory.
if you really are curious just try the axioms for 30 days, whats to lose besides shipping costs....
back to your original question("My concern is between the center channels. Is the VP150 going to match the clarity, and imaging of the CC470?")
not even close.
I've heard a pair of Paradigm Reference Studio 100 v3, and must say I was very disapointed. That's supposed to be their top of the line speaker. Personally I prefer my M60's by a long shot.
As you can tell from the answers you've received, it's a personal choice. It depends on your own ears and what you and nobody else likes.
Is there no Axiom owner any where near you that can give you a demo?
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i dont think anyone on the face of the earth will disagree the paradigm studio line will trounce the axioms hands down in every concieveable catagory.
Give me a break, will you?
I think what you are saying is a matter of opinion. I've listened to the Paradigm Studio line and I personally prefer the Axioms hands down. Now if we were talking RBH or Wilson that would be different
Yet, here is ravi doing just that AND he is on the face of the earth.
The real answer is for you to try and hear the things in person. GeneticDrift hit the nail on the head. We can post replies all day long - your ears will make the final judgment.
These types of questions are so loaded, 50 guys will give 50 different answers. You can’t really expect an objective answer when you come into an axiom message board and ask questions about axiom vs. brand x, naturally almost everyone here will chime in about how the axioms are better, ITS AN AXIOM BOARD.
Me personally I prefer the paradigm sound. I actually ordered a pair of Monitor 11’s which will be here in about 2 weeks. I do like my M60 very much but after auditioning the monitor 11’s I find their sound a better match for my ears.
Audition everything you can and let your ears decide.
Actually, I think you'l find that this board is exceptionally objective. Certainly folks will tout the Axioms, but in a general manner, expressing opoinion and offering suggestions for other types of speakers. There is also a large number of posts that deal with detailed comparisons. Finally, almost EVERY post regarding Axioms includes a suggestion that the audio piece is subjective and the only way to tell is to listen and compare - then make the choice that you feel good about.
There have only been a handful of "absolute" dictums about the speakers on this board and they have generally been corrected quickly with more balanced input. I might add that your statement above about the Paradigms is one of the strongest statements along those lines I have seen.
There is an enormous number of speakers that people prefer other than Axioms and God bless the folks that have chosen them and are enjoying them. If there is a consistent current in this board it is support to help make a decision, based on the questions asked, for something that will assist a personal chioice. It's all about what works for that person.
I am offended by your assertions and take exception to your tone. Perhaps you would be happier on a Paradigm forum.
not here to please you chap, dont like it................pound salt.
and my strong opinion about the studio line is a broad opinion. perhaps you might expand your horizions beyond this forum and actually find this out for yourself.
I don't like it. I think your tone is way out of line! You NEED to re-think what you are saying! It's all opinion here. Keep that in mind before you go shooting your mouth off!
I'm done wasting my time talking to a complete idiot!
good step away from the mirror now............
GD
Its fine that you like your Pardigms more than Axioms, and thats your right and also just your opinion........................................
Oh what the hell......
Youve insulted some fine and intelligent members of this forum and I'm not going to try and talk reason to someone so unreasonable.
DONT GO AWAY MAD, JUST GO AWAY!!!!!
Well Samsdad, I do apologize for the disagreement, but Jeff GeneticDrift has stepped over the line of acceptable forum behavior. He has presented his opinions as if they were fact, and then insulted those who posted opinions contrary to his, rather than let the statements stand on their own merit. On top of that he has personally insulted some of the nicest, even-handed, fair, and reasonable members on this forum.
No one here minds at all if he prefers Paradigm. We have several members who own, and prefer, other brands of speakers. The difference is that they do not become arrogant and insulting when faced with those who disagree with them. We strongly object to that. His credibility is now null and void on this forum.
The one thing he's said that has value, is that this is a decision only you can make. Keep in mind that speaker preference is a totally subjective decision. One man's ceiling is another man's floor. This is why we are happy to have, and encourage participation by, members who have other brands. All we ask is that they present their opinions as just that, opinions. And, we ask them to be respectful of those who hold opposing opinions. Unfortunately, Jeff doesn't get it.
"His credibility is now null and void on this forum"
OMG toooo funny!
I'm just waiting for you to say ROFLMAO...
Dude, people disagree; get used to it. No need to get insulting.
Now you can correct my grammar and typos.
I agree with Genetic.I listened to M60 and paradigm Studio 60 side by side for 3 weeks and there was no comparison.The studio 60's blew the Axiom's away.Of course the Studio's cost me $430 more than the Axiom's,but it was well worth the difference imho.
Let me guess, is that you GeneticDrift? How original. Troll!
Would you mind posting a comparison review? We always like that sort of thing around here.
Who is the new guy "tbenn"? He just happened to register on the Axiom forum today at 1:42 PM. Coincidence? NOT!!!
This is starting to sound like a thread we had just a few months ago.Streeeeeeeeeeeem.
tbenn, a great attempt at muddying the water but im on to your trick. good try though.
Samsdad, one of the underhanded tricks of the deceitful is to sign up on a forum under several screen names, and then bolster their own opinion by pretending to be different people. It happens all the time.
We are witnessing a classic example right now. If they get REALLY angry enough, they even wait weeks or months to re-register, then then come back and repost or resurrect a long dead thread just to attempt to prove they're correct. Most of these trolls are very young and immature.
Again I apologize for his behavior and ask for your patience and understanding.
tbenn, if indeed you are a new addition to this board then welcome. sometimes these guys get so cought up in their own crap they start to believe it. please accept my appologies for them.
i guess this really puts this forum into perspective as copied from the front page of the forums:
2965 Registered User(s). Welcome to our newest member, GeneticFuckFace!
im sure the mods can access the originating IP addresses of this user.
now who has gone too far this will be reported.
Your EVIL twin
Muhahaha
That's going more than a little too far, dude.
No one on this board would behave like that...............except you. I suspect a self inflicted wound, in another misguided attempt to make the forum look bad. No cigar.
JEFF(GeneticDrift/tbenn)
DONT GO AWAY MAD.....................
JUST GO AWAY!!!!!!!!
THE FURTHER THE BETTER.
this post has been sent to a mod, as stated im sure the mods have access to your ip and can hopefully block it in the future.
I may like to have a good poke at someone here and there but I think that is in complete bad taste, especially to everyone coming into the forums and seeing that on the opening page. Sad part is Ajax it is someone here and I bet that someone is a bit worried about losing their access to this forum.
I hope there are two who are worried about that.
I have to agree. That is crossing the line.
not worried for posting my opinions buddy, its an open forum, but offensive material such as that should be a bannable offense.
samsdad, I think you can safely ignore everything in this thread past the first page. My suggestion is to get the Axioms and compare for yourself. The return shipping should not be exorbitant, and as you can see, this is a rather, uh, flammable topic around here right now.
I must say that I probably acted like a first grader. I think we all take our hobby way too seriously (a passion)at times.
I also offer my apology.
P.S.
I would like to urge everyone to report the GeneticF******* post to the mods, they should be able to research the ip and ban the user.
lol this thread reminds me of that scene from Anchorman when they have the gang fight in the alley.
"Boy that escalated really quickly"
The Anchorman cracked me up
. What was the name of that aftershave?
Hey All!
I just got back from taking my wife out to lunch.
Did I miss anything while I was out?
Yeah, this thread is pretty bad but I still think that spotted canine thread we had a while back still takes the cake.
Sorry I bothered you fellows.I thought this was an opinion forum.I beleive Axiom is a fine speaker and certainly did not intend to offend anyone.Just offered my honest assessment.
Peace
TBenn:
There was no concern, speaking for myself, about you stating your opinion. As has been mentioned, opinions are welcome here.
The difference is when someone states that "everybody knows that "X", or "You're crazy if you don't think "X". At that point, it's not offering an opinion, it's stating something as a fact, or belittling someone elses' opinion. And of course, there ARE times when facts are stated here.... but stating that one speaker sounds better than another is ALWAYS an opinion.... ALWAYS.
Some people here just don't get that....present company excluded.
tbenn - your initial assessment was correct. Information sharing is generally foremost here and differing opininons are encouraged - it's the way learning happens.
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I listened to M60 and paradigm Studio 60 side by side for 3 weeks and there was no comparison.The studio 60's blew the Axiom's away.Of course the Studio's cost me $430 more than the Axiom's,but it was well worth the difference imho.
I listened to M60s and Meadowlark Blue Heron 2s side by side for one week, and did over 100 A/B tests. The Meadowlarks cost $11,100 more than the M60s. Complete review:
Here
In stereo mode, to most listeners (but not all) the Meadowlarks were better. However the M60s were very good.
In 5.1 vs stereo, Axioms were often better. This is fair since all speakers in a 5.1 array are vastly cheaper than the two Meadowlarks. It just shows there are many ways to do comparisons.
All speakers have unique characteristics. If you really like a speaker's sound, then buy that. There is no single "sonic truth" whereby all listeners will find one speaker superior to others.
Very true, besides if you listen to the mainstream you would own Bose.
