Remastered CD's

Posted by: BobG

Remastered CD's - 03/14/14 04:30 PM

Hey guys, I haven't posted in a long time. Glad you are still here!

My question is, given the varying degrees of quality in remastered cd's how do you guys decide whether you are going to purchase a remastered cd or an original recording cd, if both versions are available?
Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/14/14 07:36 PM

Hard to tell without listening to it.

You can compare releases based on dynamic range alone here:

http://dr.loudness-war.info/

Generally, re-released albums on cd are because of a change of music rights. A new release of an old album doesn't guarantee anything in terms of assured quality. Reviews and music forums are a good resource. I pick the used cd store monthly for near mint cds for $5 or less.

Here is one that is a great example of a re-master collection worth getting: smile

http://www.amazon.ca/Every-Breath-You-Ta...ords=the+police
Posted by: BobKay

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/15/14 01:57 PM

I would have to agree with anyone and everyone's assessment(s) of re-mastered cd's. I have at least 300 and the quality is entirely a crapshoot.

One would think that remasters of music from the 60's and 70's wouldn't be likely to sound better than remasters of original music from the 80's or 90's. It is irrelevant. It's all about what is actually ON the master tapes, who's doing the remstering, and, sadly, what's the size of the budget? That of course, is the final reality of almost all things.

The most significant and amazing remaster I have heard from any cd is "Aqualung," by Jethro Tull. It's not fully appreciable if you don't first listen to the original. If you are not astounded, you're deaf or dead; either way, don't ever speak to me again.

Beatles renasters are "good" for the early ones, much better for the later ones, though nothing to write about at any legth. (Love all the vocals outta the left channel, George M., way to go! The first few (before "Rubber Soul") are better remastered in mono.)

Some of The Beach Boys records will make you cry at their beauty.

Jeff Beck's first, "Truth," but look for the one with, lkie 8 or 9 extra tracks, that's THE one! It really says, "Led what?," and beats Lep I by only a coupla/few months (68/69).
The next few, eh?

Dire Straits get an "A," esp. "Brother in Arms."

I'm not gonna rate Floyd's, 'cause if I don't get all f'n gushy over them, Fred'll be acting like I drove up to Canada and murdered all four guys in Rush or something.

One might think that if one of the original band members is involved or doing the remastering, then it's got be good, right? Well, "Quadraphenia," by The Who, is done by Townsend and is a whole new record. It sounds like it was recorded within the last 5 years. Pete gets an "A+," Jimmy Page gets, like, a "B+." They're better in lots of ways, but no "grin factor." An "A" for Roger Glover from Deep Purple for doing it himself---and well.

Joni Baloney's 10 cd set is good, not great, but at <$4 a disc, there's nothing at all to gripe about.

Michael Jackson's remasters are great, but the original recordings didn't exactly suck, did they?

There's a 2cd set of Little Richard that's (waaay) less than $20 and worth every penny, including the f'n FOUR DOLLAR S & H
charge!

Cream remasters are some of the worst I have heard.

So, read the reviews, like someone here already suggested. Let them be the bleeding edge consumers. Or, like me, if you like to take your musical chances and your lumps with equal lack of the need to get drunk, be really, really happy when you find great ones!
Posted by: St_PatGuy

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/15/14 04:05 PM

Bob, as always, informative AND entertaining.

Not necessarily in that order.
Posted by: SBrown

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/16/14 12:46 PM

Thanks Bob! Always fun.
Posted by: BBIBH

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/16/14 05:33 PM

Fred would certainly miss all four guys in Rush!
Posted by: Murph

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/17/14 08:45 AM

Hahah, I wondered who else would catch that. I assumed he meant the guest appearance by Bubbles.
Posted by: BobG

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/17/14 09:37 AM

Originally Posted By: Hellcommute
Hard to tell without listening to it.

You can compare releases based on dynamic range alone here:

http://dr.loudness-war.info/

Generally, re-released albums on cd are because of a change of music rights. A new release of an old album doesn't guarantee anything in terms of assured quality. Reviews and music forums are a good resource. I pick the used cd store monthly for near mint cds for $5 or less.

Here is one that is a great example of a re-master collection worth getting: smile

http://www.amazon.ca/Every-Breath-You-Ta...ords=the+police

So, how do I interpret the dynamic range info? Do I just go by their classification of "bad" "transition" or "good", or is there more to it than that? And I assume that dynamic range is only one component to measurng the sound quality of the recording?

Also, can you recommend sites where I can find reviews of the cd's?
Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/17/14 04:18 PM

The DRD is explained here:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/unofficial-dynamic-range-database

Dynamic range is the difference between peak and quiet moments in a soundtrack. Low dynamic range makes recordings sound compressed and "Loud" ie. modern pop music. sick High dynamic range makes recordings sound big, expansive and "Live" or realistic.

Here is a great recording with awesome dynamic range that gives you the "OMG, He's right fucking here!" sound. cool This is definitely a re-master worth getting if you like blues.

http://www.amazon.com/Folk-Singer-Muddy-...ers+folk+singer
Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/17/14 04:30 PM

The SACD version of this release is actually cheaper than the CD equivalent.... The equivalent CD version is now a collectors item from Mobile fidelity and sells for well over 100$.

A bargain for the Hybrid SACD (which plays in any CD player) at $38... lol. laugh

Quick rundown of releases:
The 1993 CD version--Excellent
The 1999 CD version--Mediocre
The 2013 SACD version--Excellent

You can see why here, great example btw. cool

http://dr.loudness-war.info/album/list?artist=muddy+waters&album=folk+singer
Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/17/14 04:33 PM

The 1999 version sells for 7$ or so.

Still an awesome bargain btw, but given the choice.... wink
Posted by: Jc

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/17/14 05:48 PM

Hi BobG,

There is a new site which has the answers to all your questions and more . . .
HRA Planet

Check also . . .
The Front Page

Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/18/14 08:01 AM

Another

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/forums/music-corner.2/


http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?board=15.0

There is also a hi res section here. smile
Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/18/14 12:45 PM

Here is a good thread for inexpensive great sounding cds smile

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/inexpensive-cds-with-great-sound.210391/
Posted by: BobKay

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/19/14 04:44 PM

Originally Posted By: BBIBH
Fred would certainly miss all four guys in Rush!


Look, I know that the fourth guy committed suicide a long time ago. I'm not stoopid. I couldn't have listened to Geddy for even THAT long without offin' myself, either. Poor guy. They were just never the same without that clarinet, though.

(I can't believe that hung there for as long as it did before someone made reference to it. I was hoping to upset Fred. Damn!)
Posted by: BobKay

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/19/14 04:57 PM

Originally Posted By: Hellcommute
Here is a good thread for inexpensive great sounding cds smile

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/inexpensive-cds-with-great-sound.210391/


Hell, I know A LOT of recordings on that list and I would beg to differ with many of his inclusions. See what happens when you're not listening to stuff through Axioms? Pity, that.
Posted by: BBIBH

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/19/14 05:02 PM

I believe the "fourth" guy you are referring to was the original drummer. He died of a heart attack attributed to diabetes.
Posted by: BobKay

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/19/14 05:25 PM

C'mon, Mike! You Sure? I always SWORE there was a clarinet somewhere in there.

What's that? Ohhhhhhh, I always thought that was a clarinet!
Posted by: Hellcommute

Re: Remastered CD's - 03/19/14 07:16 PM

Originally Posted By: BobKay
Originally Posted By: Hellcommute
Here is a good thread for inexpensive great sounding cds smile

http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/inexpensive-cds-with-great-sound.210391/


Hell, I know A LOT of recordings on that list and I would beg to differ with many of his inclusions. See what happens when you're not listening to stuff through Axioms? Pity, that.



Hilarious! grin one of a kind, Bob.