EP800 different woofers?

Posted by: Newf

EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 12:47 PM

Got IANs old v3 ep800 today

Notice anything? I've never seen ep800 woofers with centers?



manual for v3





I do have some damage on one side, has anyone tried getting marks out of these wood speakers?
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 12:49 PM

I probably had some radically designed turbo woofers put in from back in the 70s. smile
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 01:59 PM

did you order the vertical one?
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:04 PM

Newf , is the mark on the sub just a scuff or is the wood dented from an impact. Wrestling those buggers around I can see it might get bumped.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:08 PM

I pulled one out, they are marked EP600 woofers. The AMP looks identical to my EP500, probably need to pull that out and look too as now I'm doubting it all. It has dedicated rca in and outs, which the 800 v3 or v4 isn't supposed to have as they use an adapter via the xlr.

So I never got an EP800, I got Frankenstein? Someone at Axiom drunk smile?
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:14 PM

my ep600 I've had for a long time is a V2 model. It is the Horizontal design and I used to have it up below my screen, I now have 2 350's up front and the ep600 is in the back standing vertical. The woofer looks like the brochures.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:18 PM

looks like another speaker was stacked on its end


black marks from rubber legs, and what appears to be ink from a label

rest of speaker is fine. Just that one side.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:25 PM

you should mask everything off and paint it a different color.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:29 PM

ummm, no. waiting on email response from Axiom. I'm not a happy boy today.
Posted by: SirQuack

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:39 PM

As far as the woofer design I think that is correct. The woofers in the EP subs changed from the Ti days to the V2s, V3s, etc.. I think that is a newer design than what my V2 has in it. Also, the brochures didn't always keep up with new pictures as Axiom changed their technology. This is true for all their speakers.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 02:49 PM

Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 03:46 PM

that pretty much says it all

Also since it is natural wood and not stained a lite sanding with 600 or even some 0 steel wool should do the trick if it bothers you. after that a coat or 2 of varathane.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 04:03 PM

According to Ian, all 800's have two 600 woofers in them. I got the new design I guess, and I am hoping the amp is the same story. Because at first glance it seems I got EP600 woofers, with a EP600 amp. And that's NOT what I ordered.

There's just unneeded confusion here. The website product page, and manuals etc all show different amps and woofers for the 800 then what I got.
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 04:24 PM

The real question is, how does it sound. and honestly all the speakers share the same drivers other than speakers with single drivers which have a higher impedance. Once Tam comes on her can clarify what his dual 800's have. I know Axiom is not very good at keeping their images current.

And I agree 100% if I buy frootloops and cherrios come out of the box I am gonna be pissed.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 05:09 PM

I do pefer fruitloops.

But you are correct on all accounts. Web page not updated. They changed the plate on the ep800 amp because nobody liked the adapter in the xlr as it stuck out too far...and I agree. I rather it this way. I also rather the black vs the silver. I got a new amp, and the woofers are the newer design.

So, outside of the marks, I walked away with a great deal. Ian got my confusion sorted via email.

I know someone else bought the other one so they might appreciate the info as well.

As for how it sounds, it was in transit since Dec 23rd. It was a giant ice cube when I got it. I let it sit for most of the day before turning it on. I got about 20 mins with it and its certainly an upgrade over the 500.

It's a beast though. Delivery guy was SO happy I was home and my house was all ground level...aka no stairs. lol
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 06:53 PM

Good to hear you got it all sorted, I totally understand your reaction cant say I would have felt any different. Tam has 2 of those monsters in what appears to be a fairly small room ,he must really love his bass. Glad I wasn't the guy delivering it, I imagine he had a few choice words getting it on the truck lol.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/03/17 08:41 PM

I'm just glad it got here safely. Something this big you just do not know. They packed it well, one of those new cool boxes....just REALLY big.

I'll say this, just spent the last hour or so going through various music, I'm quite happy with it. It's been a long journey but I think I may actually retire my old faithful D9's.

Yup, all this to replace Cerwin Vega D9's from the late 80's. Before Vega got bought out and went down the drain they made these monsters. Legendary D9's people call them. I've tried so many things over the years and just brought them all back because the D9's were just flat out better. Yes, even my M80's could not keep up at least not for the bar/party purpose.

It's a two channel system with a carver tfm pre/pro setup I've had since ...well....long ago. Party Speakers, bar speakers, HT they've done it all over the years. I remember I worked like two summers, 60+ hours a week to save up for the stuff. I was a DJ back then, but had another job during the summer months, but I got the D9's through people I knew via DJ'ing. The carvers were new and not cheap for a high school kid but I got em.

I knew I was running on borrowed time with the d9's. Already repaired one cone. And of course the woman hated them. Too big. I said do you know what its going to take to replace them and sound the same? She loved the sound, we both did. They did every type of music well. Well, what we listen to. Pop, rock, country. But its not a room we use a lot, so I didn't want to put too much $$$ into it. Refurb area to the rescue!

But our basement SUCKS for bass. Like miserable. I put the sub floor and built the basement in my last home and one HSU sub overpowered the house yet alone HT room. But this one, I don't know what they got done but it sucks up all the bass. Had to add another sub to theater, still not quite as good, no matter where I put it.

Had the same issue in the "Bar". Small room, 20x13, barely 8' ceilings. Vegas rocked the room. But an EP500, not a chance. The EP800....much better. The entire room is pine, bar is pine. Always wanted Pine Axioms but gave up waiting 2 years back and grabbed a mint set of M3's in Maple. Then before xmas low and behold...Pine M3's...ordered on the spot with an Ep500. My Vega replacement plan was always 4 mounted M3's, and one sub. So yeah, I got two maple and two Pine M3's, I'll fix that someday. But for now, room sounds great. Matter of fact, because the Sub crawl resulted in where the sub is....it is literally adjacent to the rear side of my theater so now its the bar sub, and its my theater rear sub....and holy @#$% what a difference that made.

Anyways, I pissed off the neighbors enough tonight. This post is also long enough.

Hmmmm, Ep800 + AxiomAir.....
Posted by: exlabdriver

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/04/17 02:24 AM

My EP 800 V3s have silver plate amps with a 'EP800' logo on a separate sticker above it that is stuck to the Rosewood.

My woofers have no caps.

I do like bass but I'm not a fanatic & I don't over do it. It is the quality of the sound that I like over others subs that I've heard. Of course in my room, the 800s hardly ever break a sweat.

As for the marks on the cabinet, if the veneer isn't damaged, you might try one of those 'Magic Eraser' cleaning pads (made by Mr Clean I think). They work wonders in removing marks - but don't get carried away as eventually the finish might be affected...

Tom
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/04/17 01:56 PM

Same here, I don't want it loud. I want it sound good. I hate LOUD. I hate loud anything. Cars,ski doos, bikes - women smile

I like quality sound without stressing the equipment. My stuff is babied.
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/04/17 03:40 PM

Since we are on the subject smile I agree loud women are extra nasty. but I like a loud car for play time but not goin up and down my street, ski-doo's these days are horrible the sound carries for miles here grrr but I do like a nice pipe on a street bike expecially in a tunnel smile . But for bass it has to be tight and realistic. In my car I like it exaggerated a bit and it kicks me in the back, I just cant seem to get that in the house though I know it takes a lot of woofage to do that in a large room.
Glad you are enjoying your new toy.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/04/17 09:40 PM

I'm a car guy long before an audio guy. So I love a nice engine. It's the civics with the giant fart can mufflers I can't stand. I have a neighbor with a Hennessy Camaro with 720+ Hp...that thing is loud to the point of ear bleeds. Another neighbor with a saleen...also loud but the new Shelby up the road.... yum.
Posted by: Gr8_White_North

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/04/17 09:42 PM

Thanx for clarifying, boy ya had me worried LOL. Round these parts the fart can thing has died right off. The worst part of a Honda is that there is like 5 minutes between shift LOL. Now a good performance car , that's music to my ears.
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/06/17 12:16 AM

Got to say. Enjoying this thing. It never goes to sleep though. Like never. I hear that hum from it hours after I've stopped using it. I tend to unplug my gear anyways when not in use but I just noticed this. Spent the day running cables... fun times. This room is a problem in so many ways for speaker placement too... doors on same wall, Windows in the way... anyways loving the sound of this combo

Posted by: Mojo

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/06/17 12:57 AM

You should not be hearing a hum.

Please replace your M3s with LFR1100s because it looks ridiculous. smile
Posted by: Newf

Re: EP800 different woofers? - 01/06/17 10:39 AM

Lol. No space. Hence why I got rid of the vega's. Was going to put my m80's out there and start replacing my ht gear. But it was "suggested" by the other member of the house that we go wall mounted and smaller. I said you are never going to get the same sound with book shelves... and that was after talking her out of on walls. So I we ordered the M3's which proved my theory she was the one wanting the big sub. She didn't realise what she was getting..lol. I did in fairness show her pics and measurements and we have a bench that is basically the same size so I did inform as much as I could.

So bar is done. Time to move onto the more important upgrade.. my HT room