gem,

There is an argument for judging a speaker on its own merits or with the use of a sub.

Interestingly, the low end of the M22's -/+3db point is 60hz and the 340's is 55hz. I wonder where that "thud" falls.

No doubt, each speaker has its merits, but even with a sub, the bass of the speakers will sound different....because they are different.

curtis

Sushi...the guys were comparing the CMT-340 to the M22...not the CBM-170.

I also see a couple of spikes between the 15K and 20K region of the M22 on the off axis graph....maybe this can be the brightness or harshness that people feel.

Interesting seeing how close the 170 and M22 are on paper.

gem,

I'm no expert either and I can see your point on this and maybe I should have worded my response a little different. I quess it would come down to where this "thud" sound is on the spectrum. If it fell anywhere near the X-over, I could see the sub helping out, but it would help out both speakers no? If it falls well above the x-over, then I believe the sub would have no effect.

Curtis and Johnny,

All points duly noted. There's probably no right answer on this issue, and there's probably little difference one way or the other anyway between the M22's and CBM170's. By all accounts, they're both great speakers.

Alright then...who has M60's in the Philly area I can compare with then

You are right Gem.

What is interesting though from looking at the charts Sushi linked to....there is not anything that stands out that can really explain the "brightness" of the M22.

curtis

Those graphs pictured are rather small.
Blow them up and you will see just how many differences really exist.
Keep in mind that x axis appears to be a logarithmic plot. The separation from left to right is far more pronounced that it appears.

The graphs never helped me much...maybe I just need a primer on what I'm looking for and what's to be gained reading them. I had never seen one until back near the beginning of the year when I started this whole HT process.

I bet I know what Chess and Sushi are thinking...

"DAMN I hope jbz doesn't ask me to explain what this thread is about!!".