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#302433 - 04/19/10 05:02 PM Re: power amps [Re: Shady]
tomtuttle Offline

Registered: 06/20/03
Posts: 8347
Loc: Tacoma
Shady, I don't think the Denon 4810 is going to have ANY problem powering your M80's.

With the Emo's, it's not the wattage, it's the architecture. Do a forum search here - there are lots of threads. Generally, some people have had big-time issues with the XPA's, some people have had no issues with the XPA's and I don't remember anyone having trouble with the UPA's. I know that's counterintuitive.

I'd get the Denon and see how it goes. If you really feel like you're not getting what you need, look at used, high-quality amps from Krell, Rotel, Bryston, etc. in the 200wpc range.
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#302434 - 04/19/10 05:03 PM Re: power amps [Re: Shady]
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Registered: 12/26/03
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Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Shady, the 4810 will run your M80s to levels you won't be able to listen to for long. I run my M80s with a 3808 as do many on this forum and non of us have problems. I even ran my M80s with a lowly 1804 and it could hit ~100db and not shut down. Denon is one of the manufacturers Axiom recommends to be paired with the M80s. So if you want the 4810 then by all means get it, it looks to be a very nice AVR.


#302441 - 04/19/10 05:11 PM Re: power amps [Re: jakewash]
Shady Offline
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Registered: 06/12/09
Posts: 15
Thanks so much for the feedback (so fast as well)

okay, I'm going to go ahead with the Denon purchase and defer the power amp decision to a later date.

#302442 - 04/19/10 05:15 PM Re: power amps [Re: Shady]
Micah Offline

Registered: 11/16/08
Posts: 1789
Loc: Indiana you hoser!!!!
 Originally Posted By: Shady

I read somewhere that there may be issues with the Emotivas and the M80s. I'm not sure if that's because the 300 Watts isn't enough hence:

2. Emotiva XPA - 2 (Two Channel rated at 500 watts into 4 ohms) and I'd just run the M80s with this.

Both of these options are much cheaper than anything else I've seen, but I'm slightly afraid of 2nd hand comments I've seen regarding people having problems

Any feedback?


I have the Emotiva XPA-3. First of all let me say that for the money I got far more with this amp than I ever dreamed I'd get. However, seeing as you have the M80's I cannot recommend this amp as there have been many issue's between the 'X' series amps and the 80's. I myself had a bit of difficulty making them play nicely, not nearly as bad as some had it, but enough that I can see why most M80 owners shy away from Emotiva.

Which is a shame because like I said, they really very nice amps at an outstanding price point. If you had the M60's I would not hesitate to recommend them.
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#302443 - 04/19/10 05:16 PM Re: power amps [Re: Shady]
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And the good part is you can still get the amps at a later date if you think you can use them, as the 4810 has preouts \:\)


#302449 - 04/19/10 05:33 PM Re: power amps [Re: jakewash]
Slitman Offline

Registered: 08/15/06
Posts: 34
Loc: Markham, Ontario
I've been running my M80's with the 3310ci and have had no problems to date <knock on wood>

Fully endorse the recommendation to go with a Denon AVR. I did and am quite happy despite my initial reservations.
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#302463 - 04/19/10 06:13 PM Re: power amps [Re: Slitman]
audiosavant Offline

Registered: 12/13/09
Posts: 311
Loc: Worldwide
Having separate power amps (I'm thinking 5 mono blocks of high quality) and upgrading the pre/pros sounds like an elegant solution for HT and makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside like I do about most Hi-Fi/audiophile type pursuits.

Mmmmm, separates...

Giant avr receivers are kinda big, gimmicky and cheap looking. Even the higher end ones.

Axiom's A1400-8's are looking better and better for ultimate, clean punch and power.

Is this how they rope us in?

Sell us the speakers super cheap and then lure us into their world of expensive but powerful amplifiers... Hmmm...
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#302466 - 04/19/10 06:36 PM Re: power amps [Re: audiosavant]
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Loc: Tacoma
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#302470 - 04/19/10 06:39 PM Re: power amps [Re: Ken.C]
axiomoholic Offline

Registered: 01/20/10
Posts: 110
shady - I think your notion that the Denon won't power 4 ohm speakers has something to do with the verbage that nearly ALL manufacturers use on their cases and spec sheets only for the purposes of satisfying the UL people.

still - the componenet idea, or AV receiver w/ amps, deserves some thought. In a few years, that Denon's not going have the dolby this or dolby that. Look at all the nice, nice av recievers on craig's list that don't have hdmi, etc. They're selling for pennies on the dollar.

If you're ok with that, no problem. But Micah's first post on page one is right on, in my opinion.

#302477 - 04/19/10 07:01 PM Re: power amps [Re: patwho]
patwho Offline

Registered: 03/27/08
Posts: 47
Loc: Long Island.N.Y
Thanks for all the posts!! i've read that buying a amp would help WITH the over all sound of the speakers.I'm still a newbie to home theater so please forgive me with the silly questions

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