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#302622 - 04/20/10 05:28 PM Re: Curious minds... [Re: CatBrat]
chesseroo Offline

Registered: 05/13/02
Posts: 5117
Loc: western canada
Without having heard the conversation between customer service and the customer, who can say what transpired that may have lead to Axiom's conclusion that they would not replace the tweeter because of suspected abuse (not covered under their warranty)?

All in all, i think the forum posters tend to be avid and interested audiophiles who are not prone to destroying their equipment (although some do modify their with other components which could also invalidate the warranty). That doesn't mean a family member wasn't responsible in some way, etc. etc.

Axiom does still have to watch out for their bottom line and perhaps there's been a huge increase in driver replacements lately; people cranking up the power for whatever reasons with the mindset that Axiom customer service is so good, they'll just replace something if it breaks anyway so why worry about damaging one's tweeters/drivers?

I'm just playing devil's advocate and granted the idea is far fetched, but jumping onto a 'bash Axiom' bandwagon into the forum without us non-witness bystanders knowing accurately all that transpired, all the information that was exchanged, really just pushes Axiom to have to fix the problem for fear of PR backlash.

I'm glad they will help to fix the problem but Axiom is still a privately owned, for-profit COMPANY.
Gotta keep that in mind.
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#302625 - 04/20/10 05:49 PM Re: Curious minds... [Re: BobKay]
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Registered: 03/16/02
Posts: 2820
Loc: CA, USA
 Originally Posted By: BobKay
Canada is full of "rouge." Alaska is full of "rogue."

That's right!!
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#302633 - 04/20/10 07:21 PM Re: Curious minds... [Re: 2x6spds]
bridgman Offline

Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5590
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
I clicked on RickF's link to the tweeter pics but had to click back a few pages to find the right post. This should be a direct link.

Sure looks like the dome itself shattered. Never seen anything like that before - although I have seen a couple of *melted* domes in my years.

#302645 - 04/20/10 09:36 PM Re: Curious minds... [Re: bridgman]
SolidState Offline

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124
That tweeter is worth about $10 to perhaps, and this is being liberal/generous, $25 bucks...

The shipping costs more than the tweeter!!!

I'd just buy a new one from Axiom... unless they want $50 bucks for it or something outrageous!!!

WOW RickF has thousands of posts and appears to not be a Meatpuppet... miracles do happen!

RickF this might be a drop-in replacement.

It sure looks like the same beast to me though Ian opted to use a bucket magnet instead of shielding on the Dayton retail part.

I have to add it's also one of the better titanium tweeters around for the money and is responsible for the "good duty" / "bang for the buck" that SOME of the Axiom speaker line exhibit. It's just a shame he got over zealous and decided to over use them in his designs...

Sorta like a mediocre chief that over uses a certain spice in their dishes but hey at $11.20 a 1000 (pure speculation) for such a good sounding inexpensive titanium driver it's somewhat understandable. LOL

Edited by SolidState (04/20/10 09:51 PM)

#302646 - 04/20/10 09:55 PM Re: Curious minds... [Re: SolidState]
SolidState Offline

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124

I believe it's this unit.

It really is a nice sounding metal tweet and it's important to note it's very difficult to build an inexpensive metal tweeter. Personally I feel the Peerless HDS from the same ODM/OEM sounds more "natural" and has less "fatigue". Non the less it's still a great tweeter to build a speaker around as many Axiomites already know! It's just s shame Ian uses two of them in the VP150 and M80 to the design's detriment IMHO

Edited by SolidState (04/20/10 09:59 PM)

#302651 - 04/20/10 10:16 PM Re: Curious minds... [Re: SolidState]
SolidState Offline

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124
Review on the money regarding this tweeter.

"I experimented with these tweeters several years ago with frustrating results. Although the Fs will allow a crossover point of 3,000 Hz. with a second order filter, the sound quality was sharp, shrill and pingy...very metallic and colored. When I applied it in a smaller 3-way (8"woofer,4"midrange),it sounded very nice crossed over at 5,000 Hz. with a second order filter,although proper attenuation was critical. Several years ago, Bill Duddleston of Legacy Audio used a modified version of this tweeter for his "Studio" model speaker and crossed it over at 2,800 Hz. I,however, would not recommend doing that on this stock model. If you're building a small 3-way and are crossing over anywhere above 4,500 Hz or so, then you can't beat the sound for the price."

And I'm sure Ian's motor has been modified like Bill Duddleston design though I'd assume the modifications are different than Bill's.

Edited by SolidState (04/20/10 10:20 PM)

#302658 - 04/21/10 12:25 AM Re: Curious minds... [Re: SolidState]
BlueJays1 Offline

Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 4106
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Hi SolidState,

I'm under the impression that the tweeters are made at their own factory custom built to their designs. While the tweeters from PE look cosmetically similar they may (or not) be up to the same specs so it might not be as simple as a "drop in" replacement solution.

It is possible Axiom does some OEM but that is not public information.

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#302659 - 04/21/10 01:08 AM Re: Curious minds... [Re: BlueJays1]
SolidState Offline

Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124
You think they actually manufacture the drivers!!!


Ian has trouble with basic speaker design! Just take one look at the original Ti xover ROTFL and VP150 and show me another engineer in this entire industry that designed a TMMMT center!

If he can't even get that right it's laughable that he actually designed the tweeter's motor etc as you suggest.


The phase lens/wave guide is IDENTICAL! ARE YOU BLIND!!!

Edited by SolidState (04/21/10 01:17 AM)

#302666 - 04/21/10 06:39 AM Re: Curious minds... [Re: SolidState]
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Loc: South Florida

What's laughable is that you've decided to post here again after a pleasant absence. Nothing's changed, it seems. You're entitled to your opinion, but your attitude and the way you spew your venom at some people here is UNCALLED FOR. It's why you've been put on 'ignore' lists by so many on this forum. The newer members since you split may tolerate you for a while, but they'll catch on soon. You apparently get a charge out of showing how right you are in a rude, aggressive manner. Enjoy yourself for a few posts, then please go away.
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#302668 - 04/21/10 07:18 AM Re: Curious minds... [Re: Spoiler]
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