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#347530 - 05/08/11 02:04 PM Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s
Nitsud Offline
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Registered: 05/08/11
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Loc: Canada
Im new to home theatre and have boiled down to axiom being my choice of setup. Either going m60s with vp150 and qs8 or m80s with vp180 and qs8. Help in deciding.

Further help is I was going to buy an integra dtr 20.3 receiver any information if this will run either system?

I will not be getting a sub right now but when i do it will be either svs or a hsu (not sure of size yet)

Setup will be in a four level split on the main floor 26'Lx16'Wx9'H

Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance

#347531 - 05/08/11 02:10 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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If you've got the coin, why not go all out? The owners of the VP180 who upgraded from the 150 all seem to agree that it's well worth it. The M80s over M60s also seem to be an improvement, but not quite as large. So at least consider the VP180 no matter what mains you go with.

That Integra should be fine.
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#347534 - 05/08/11 02:33 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: ClubNeon]
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The m80s state they are 4ohm while most receivers run 6-8ohm is that a problem? This integra dtr-20.3 is 8ohm?

I am buying this in pieces right now the receiver and towers then the center and surrounds later.

I certainly want the m80s aslong as that integra receiver will handle them and not cause any problems. Can get the receiver at a disount price of $650 brand new in the box.

#347536 - 05/08/11 03:06 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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Seems it's rated for 4 ohm.

Power Output
All Channels: 90 W/Ch at 8 Ohms,
20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08%,
2 Channels Driven, FTC;
110 W/Ch at 6 Ohms,
1 kHz, 0.1%, 2 Channels Driven, FTC
Dynamic Power 210 W (3 Ohms, 1 ch)
180 W (4 Ohms, 1 ch)
110 W (8 Ohms, 1 ch)

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#347537 - 05/08/11 03:15 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Wid]
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Thank you. It states also that the m80s max is 400w with the information given of 180w on 4ohm then is this going to be alright? And also with adding the rest of the system down the road all should be well? Sorry but am new and really trying to make all the right choices and learn in the midst.

#347546 - 05/08/11 04:07 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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I wouldn't sweat the 8 ohms vs 4 ohms. This is more of a regulatory issue. I drive my M80s and VP180 to loud volume without any issues with my denon 890 (given my room is smaller 20x11x9).
As Chris suggested, if you have the $$$ and the space for it, I would strongly recommend to upgrade to the VP180, that will give you a bigger improvement than M60s to M80, of course, if money is not an issue, go with the M80s as well (sorry, I had to say it smile ). As you probably read it many times if you did some research, the M80s are slightly more detailed and forward sounding in the midrange and as a better bass overall. This is what I noticed as well when I compared both at the Axiom factory.
Another suggestion for the center is that if you'll have often people sitting off-axis from the main listening position, you might consider a smaller vertical speaker (M2 or M22) as a center. If it's not the case, the VP180 is really good.
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#347548 - 05/08/11 04:14 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: bdpf]
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Loc: Quebec, Canada
the 400 Watts is a rating; you can use more powerful amps if you want; just be sure you don't clip your amplifiers.

180 Watts would give you a max SPL of about 115-117 dB.
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#347553 - 05/08/11 05:27 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: J. B.]
Nitsud Offline
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So would a suggestion be to go with two m22 for centers? Or just need the one as my living room setup is scattered. Also will I lose anything from vp180 to m22s? In the end im more concerned about me having a better experience not everyone else smile

#347557 - 05/08/11 05:59 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: Nitsud]
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The ideal scenario is to have 3 identical speakers across the front, so M60 or M80 for mains and then another M60 or M80 as a center is best. The VP180 was designed to be a match for the M80 for those with out the vertical clearance to run another M80/M60 as a center, so the VP180 is second best. With the 180 you loose some horizontal dispersion to off axis listening, if this isn't a problem and you don't have the room for 3 vertical speakers across the front then the 180 is the way to go.

To run dual M22's or M2's as a center I would recommend one over and one under the screen to keep the sound anchored to the middle, with a side split center, the dialog will appear to come from the closest side speaker for those not directly in front which is kind of annoying, IMO. Also when running an M22 center you loose some impact the larger speakers tend to offer in the upper bass range. I found gunshots etc. had very good impact with the VP180 vs just the sound of gunfire I get when I run either of my M22's/VP150/VP100 or an M2 I have tried as a center. Running the smaller speakers is still a great way to go and they all work very, very well but I have found the center stage looses that impact when running beside floorstanders, YMMV.


#347564 - 05/08/11 07:15 PM Re: Help a newbie with deciding m60s m80s [Re: jakewash]
Nitsud Offline
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Registered: 05/08/11
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Ok well thank you all for all the information and help. Guess it looks like a straight shot... M80s vp180 and qs8s thanks again everyone.

One more thing these speakers that get discounted because of minor blemishes. Any opinions?

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