Well I guess that scratches Paradigm off my list, now I'm down to 2. Now you guys have me thinking about M80 again, only thing is that will force me to upgrade my receiver right away, I don't think mine will handle the 4 ohm load, and I had planned to wait a couple months. I have considered buying M60 now and M80 later. So you dont think I will be happy with M60? Not loud enough?