looks like i will be going with the 3805. since the release of the 3806 the price of the 3805 has gone down. it is such a great value i can't seem to pass it up. i don't think i need the new features of the 3806 yet. maybe next year i will get the 3806 and used the 3805 for the living room or the 3807 by then. it never ends.

thanks for all the input

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