Yeah, I guess the B&W's are getting a bit long in tooth, but they do sound good. I spent hours listening to them against new speakers trying to determine what I wanted. In the end I ended up with the scratch and dent matrixII's I have for $200/ea. Even the Arcam was scratch and dent (dealer demo). Musically, it sounds really great.( although I would argue it sounds better to me than other AV amps much more expensive) I won't know about surround sound for a while until I get the whole kit finished out.

thanks for the reply.