"i didn't have this problem when listening to martin logans" -------------------------------------------------Really? I'm a ML owner, and have been for some time. One thing I have always noticed from ML's is that blind effect. Gaps in sound. As a proud owner of Ascents I'm still amazed with what it can do, but it still suffers when you stand up from the sweet spot. The ML's are fantastic speakers if you stick with the Ascents, Odyssey, or Prodigy, but anything else in the line is just not worth the price IMO. As for the M60's I personally felt the outperformed the Scenario's in many areas, and the M60's are $1200 less. Same with the VP150, and Cinema center. The VP150 wasn't as "open" but it was so much clearer and detaled than the Cinema at 1/4 the cost. I have since sold my Scenario's (which I used as rears) and Cinema center, and the Ascents I put in my wifes room for 2ch listening only. I will say the ML's are a little nicer to look at, but performance is what counts.