Thanks for everyones thoughts on the matter. How much more of an open soundstage did you notice between the two? I do seem to think that for the 60s to really hit stride they need to be turned up a bit to give that openess. If that even makes sense, but it does seem that music has a new dimension to it when the level is turned up. Especially to 11 \:\)

7.1 theater room
60 fronts vp180 center 4 qs8's ep500 sub

3.0 tv room
m3's vp150 center