Hello everyone! I have a problem with my reciever. When i added the new vp180 to my system the m80's took a turn for the worse. Their sound was "muffled" to think of a word. Yesterday i had a chance to sit down and play around to see why. I did some a/b testing with my old vp150. The sound was better from the m80's with vp150.I put on some rush and i notice that around -12 on my reciever the speakers were cliping on some songs. I did not want to do any more because i thought that i might damage my speakers. I went to best buy about a month ago to listen to the denon 4310cl and the salesman showed me the pioneer elite sc-27.I like the denon but the the pioneer just blew me away.I had the salsman use 4 ohm speakers on both recievers.(same speakers) I guess i could add a amp or buy a sc-27.I dont' know how much amp's go for but i can get the pioneer for 1199.What do you guys think? i'm going to have to get "the general"(wife) blessing also thanks