What about DVD players that don't use HDCP, if that is what your referring to...I know the Momitsu Deluxe, Bravo D2, and a few others don't have HDCP. And in talking to people that use front projection at 720P on these units the picture is absolutely fabulous. Som of these upconvert players will also upconvert over componant, including Zenith at one time. However, it appears this now only applies to units produced in Asia and other companies. They don't seem to follow the same rules that American mfg's have to follow.