i totally agree on the 'oceans 12'.. maybe i was expecting to much cause the 'oceans 11' was soo good. or maybe we just expected too much cause there were soo many really good actors in the film. but, the bottomline came down to a script that was soo polluted and non-believeable, that the actors just seemed to be going thru their lines, just so they could get it over with. once you realized the punchline(which i did about an hour in), then you realize the entire movie itself is shadows and smoke screens.

very bad.... very, very bad...

bigjohn

EXCUSE ME, ARE YOU THE SINGING BUSH??