I can only speak to the Outlaw, I'm very happy with it, it provies a lot of punch and musicality. Although Mr. Hsu help design it, it is not the same design as the Hsu subs, but it is very similar. Some people seem to think it is somehow "bad" that it's designed by Mr. Hsu. I guess they assume if it's designed by him, why not buy a Hsu sub? The Outlaw sub was, last time I checked, a little cheaper that the Hsu sub that is closely resembles.