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#116156 - 11/18/05 10:11 PM Re: help with stereo choice
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From Axioms own Alan Lofft on seperates
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#116157 - 11/18/05 11:05 PM Re: help with stereo choice
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Ditto, Cisco; there's no special audible magic in putting things in two or three boxes instead of one. There may be slight measurable differences in some units, but since our measuring instruments are far more sensitive than our ears, these differences aren't audible in controlled blind listening tests. In most cases the sensible, cost-effective purchase is a receiver.
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#116158 - 11/18/05 11:22 PM Re: help with stereo choice
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In reply to:

In most cases the sensible, cost-effective purchase is a receiver.




But not all

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#116159 - 11/19/05 12:10 AM Re: help with stereo choice
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Right JohnK. As long as audio equipment sounds good to sensitive test equipment who cares how it sounds to people?

How do you measure sweet sound, bloom, and all the qualities which characterize the sound made by excellent audio equipment?

Have you used your more sensitive test equipment to compare the output of a real orchestra to that of a sound system reproducing the music which the orchestra made?

I don't think you really know what you're measuring, I mean in musical terms.
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#116160 - 11/19/05 01:05 AM Re: help with stereo choice
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I would second Peter (pmbuko) on his explenation on the difference between the receiver and separates. I was skeptical myself first, when I had Rotel RX-1052 stereo receiver rated 100 wpc with JBL E60 towers, until I switched to Rotel RB-1070/RC-1070 combo (now I have RB-1080). I noticed a sizable difference right away. Separates is the way to go, at least for stereo, not sure for HT. You won't know the difference until you actually try it (of course, you have to compare apples to apples, for example Rotel receiver to Rotel separates).
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#116161 - 11/19/05 03:18 AM Re: help with stereo choice
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2x6, you constantly gloss over the fact that instuments are far more sensitive than human ears, and that very slight measurable differences cannot be picked out and reliably attributed to brand A or brand B by humans in blind listening tests.

Oh, and I loves me the sweet bloom of a viola heard live from the second tier of the balcony. Nothing beats it.
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#116162 - 11/19/05 11:06 AM Re: help with stereo choice
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Yes, but tell me which test instrument you use to determine whether an audio component accurately reproduces the timbre of a musical instrument?
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#116163 - 11/19/05 11:28 AM Re: help with stereo choice
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Here we go again...

but seriously, dude, it's just sound waves. Compression waves, even, if you will. There's no mystical "music wave" that some things can't reproduce. It's just waves travelling in an air medium. If an audio component can successfully reproduce sound at all frequencies, it can reproduce the timbre of a musical instrument. Which is usually all messed with in the studio/mastering process anyway, so none of it's real, and life is but a dream.
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#116164 - 11/19/05 12:22 PM Re: help with stereo choice
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Mystical music wave? I think you miss the point ... which of your electro-mechanical test instruments (far more accurate than the human ear) would you use to determine whether an audio component accurately reproduces timbre?
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#116165 - 11/19/05 12:56 PM Re: help with stereo choice
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Don't worry 2x6, They're deaf from all of their blind listening tests. But seriously, the truth seems to always find it's way somewhere in the middle. At least you are willing to acknowlegde that.

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