Re: Your argument is highly illogical, captain.
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Yes, it's been told many times, Peter, but you notice that the bottom line is carefully avoided by those who claim to hear these things, i.e. "Prove it". Maybe the classic Stereo Review blind test should be noted again, especially the certainty of hearing differences which were described in open listening before the test compared with the random results shown during the testing. Again(and again, and again...)when the amplifiers have a flat frequency response and adequately low noise and distortion(all available at quite low cost)and the listening level is within 0.1dB for all, listeners can't distinguish between them, regardless of brand or cost. Where one or more of those factors are inadequate in some poorly-designed units(e.g. some tube amps)then a difference may be audible, but it would be as a result of measurable differences in those basic parameters, which instruments detect at levels far below human audibility.
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Re: Your argument is highly illogical, captain.
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I know that for me, I've gone through a lot of equipment before coming up with systems I'm finally happy with.
I don't think the audio experience is about "proving" anything. You enjoy your stats and conviction that all CDPs, DVDPs and amps sound the same. I'll enjoy the music.
Enjoy the Music. Trust your ears. Laugh at Folks Who Claim to Know it All.
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Re: Your argument is highly illogical, captain.
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It would be interesting to see if the results changed if the listeners were picked based on their listening experience (such as amplifier or speaker designers). Individuals with ears trained to listen for details. After all, the top 3 percentage right scores in that test were from believers.
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Re: Your argument is highly illogical, captain.
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Might I suggest you look at the Harman Kardon 3480 and pair it up with the M60s.I think you would be better served with the bulk of the budget going towards speakers.The 3480 is a fine unit and will drive the M60s great.
After rereading this are you saying you already have M22s ? The wording is a bit confusing to me.
Rick
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Cbee,
This was the best advise on this string.
While the rest continue fighting over perception and opinion, just get the combo Rick sugested and you will be a happy camper.
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Re: help with stereo choice
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Could you please link to any reviews or feeback on this unit. I am very interested in amplifying my signal from the computer to a bookshelf setup . I will probably go with Epos or M3ti's. I like the idea of a USB connection.
Thanks,
oz
"Life is what happens while your busy making other plans" John Lennon
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Re: help with stereo choice
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The Harman Kardon 3480 does look good. OK, yet another question. While the new outlaw receiver may be a little more than I want to spend (esp. if I want those M60s) it does have one feature I like: the usb input. This would save me about $100 for the separate usb dac. Now, the JVC RX-D201S is a 100 wpc (more than enough) surround sound receiver with a usb input for only $200, cheaper than the hk. Of course I would only be using this for stereo for now (read, next couple of years).
So, if (as the stereo review so controversially stated) all these receivers sound fairly alike, is there any reason not to go with this one? I get upgrade possibilities to surround, the usb input, and enough power for the speakers, all for $200. What am I missing?
Cisco
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But the outlaw is $400 more than the JVC. What am I getting for the extra money?
Cisco
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Sorry, you misunderstood me. I wanted links to reviews or this positive feedback that you mentioned reading on the reciever.
I had seen the company spec sheet the first time you posted it.
oz
"Life is what happens while your busy making other plans" John Lennon
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