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#123891 - 01/11/06 03:21 PM Anyone have direct experience with both of these?
moridin Offline
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Registered: 08/18/05
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Before I ever heard of Axiom, I had more or less settled on an SVS PB12-Ultra/2 to be my sub. Then I started reading about the EP600 and was intrigued, and craigsub's review of the EP600 was eye-opening. I have absolutely no doubt both are great subs, but I'm curious how the two would fare head-to-head.


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#123892 - 01/11/06 04:04 PM Re: Anyone have direct experience with both of these?
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Craig ("Craigsub") organized a showdown between EP500 and a single SVS Ultra (don't remember if it was a PB or PC).

Haven't seen anything between a 500/600 and a 2-driver 900 watt Ultra, but that would sure be an interesting battle. I would bet on the SVS but only by a small amount, and that would depend on whether you ran the SVS in 25 or 20 Hz tune.

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#123893 - 01/11/06 08:41 PM Re: Anyone have direct experience with both of these?
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Registered: 10/26/05
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That would be an interesting comparison indeed. Unfortunately, I don't know too many people who have heard them side by side. I think the EP600 would be a more worthy comparison to the SVS PB12-Ultra/2.

I would suspect that the SVS PB12-Ultra/2 would eek out the the EP600. The SVS has another driver with more wattage. The Ultra/2 is also more expensive, so I guess you get what you pay for.

Though important, bass extension and SPL are only part of the equation. Do you have the resources to try them both out, and make the decision yourself?

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#123894 - 01/12/06 11:05 PM Re: Anyone have direct experience with both of the
moridin Offline
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Registered: 08/18/05
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The funds: yes; the time to dedicate to such a project: sadly, no.

Once a certain level of quality is reached, it's all about diminishing returns, I suppose. Since the prices aren't too far off, I was curious if anyone had experience with the flagship subs of two companies that have highly reviewed products.

It was Craig's comment about the intelligibility of the deus ex machina scene in Matrix Revolutions that really caught my attention. I suspect there's something magical about the enourmous surface area of the port on the EP600.

I'll more than likely end up going with an all-Axiom setup. Now if only pricing and finishes for the wood veneers would be announced...

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#123895 - 01/13/06 10:05 AM Re: Anyone have direct experience with both of the
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Registered: 10/03/05
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Loc: Toronto
At the moment I own two ep600s, two ep500s and a PC-Ultra which I am in the process of implementing into a quad sub configuration with the help of a Velodyne SMS-1. They are all great subs with their own strengths and weaknesses. Two ep500s are on par with the Ultra/2. The 500s have a more linear frequency response while the Ultra has uneven response with a hump in the mid-bass declining by around 10bd over the audible range. Here is a graph in 4pi using a 95db sweep done last October comparing FR of an Ultra tuned at 20hz and a 500 done last October with the help of Ian and Tom.



The 500s extend only to 19hz while the Ultra's tuned at 16hz go down to 11hz. Overall the Ultra has lower THD compared to the Ultra but their smaller amps and large excursion drivers produce more IM distortion. The 500s sound somewhat cleaner and more detailed but lack the Ultra's extension. At the listening test which I attended overall 5 of the 6 listeners preferred the 500s for movies and music with one listener (Ajax) liking them about the same. I found the 500 and Ultra in 16hz tune only very close in sound quality but preferred the Ultra for movies because of its extension and the 500 for music because of its greater detail. The Ultra in 20hz or 25 hz tune just doesn't sound as good as the 500. So the decision should focus on whether you want more extension in the infrasonic band with the Ultra or a slightly more detailed linear sound in the audible range with the 500.

With two 600s the edge goes easily to the Axioms owing to their greater headroom and the 600s more linear extension from 16 hz to 100hz. Here is a graph of the 600 and Ultra.



One combination to consider is the 500/600 to the Ultra/2. This combo is similar to the two 600s except there is 3db less response at 16-19hz but saves you $600. Those two subs blend nicely without the usual phase/delay isues found when using dissimilar subs.

Hope this helps.




Edited by jakeman (01/13/06 10:11 AM)
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#123896 - 01/13/06 06:35 PM Re: Anyone have direct experience with both of the
moridin Offline
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Registered: 08/18/05
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Wow! Very much appreciated! One clarifying question about the line "Overall the Ultra has lower THD compared to the Ultra": should the former or the latter be Axiom?

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#123897 - 01/14/06 01:06 AM Re: Anyone have direct experience with both of the
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Registered: 10/03/05
Posts: 852
Loc: Toronto
Yes it should read Ultra compared to the Axiom. Good catch.
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