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#125428 - 01/25/06 01:07 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
skyhawk669 Offline
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Registered: 01/23/06
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Loc: Austin, TX
The subwoofer has its own amp as far as I can tell so that wouldn't be a problem.

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#125429 - 01/25/06 01:08 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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um the 500 is a self powered sub, i.e it has its own amp the only thing the reciever is doing is giving the sub's amp a signal to work with. almost any sub you buy today has its own amp built into the cabnet.

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#125430 - 01/25/06 01:11 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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Blackie, the EP500 has its own amplifier, so the receiver doesn't "drive" it; it just feeds it low bass signals. No power from the receiver is used. Incidentally, there should be no concern about the recent Yamaha receivers and 4 ohm loads. Note this report on the 2500 showing about 200 watts into 4 ohms.
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#125431 - 01/25/06 01:12 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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Loc: St. Albert, Alberta
Any receiver will drive the ep500. Most subs have their own amp inside. The receiver just passes the low frequencies on to the sub amp. In fact, having a powered sub as part of your speaker setup to drive the low frequencies lightens the load on your receiver as it takes less power to drive the mid and high frequencies drivers that are in your mains.

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#125432 - 01/25/06 01:46 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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Registered: 01/16/06
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Loc: British Columbia, Canada
hey johnk, what does the 4ohm and yamaha refer to. is it to the subwoofer or front speaker. I read the link but not too sure what they mean. What exactly does 4ohm mean??? and why is it important.

ALSO, I am thinking of ordering from the factory outlet to save some money. Are there major difference compare to the regular price ones??

thanks

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#125433 - 01/25/06 01:47 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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oh, thanks for all the respnses. Sorry for all these stupid questions.
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#125434 - 01/25/06 01:59 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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No such thing as a stupid question , As far as ordering from the factory, I did it to save some coin on my M60's and the speakers I received were flawless.
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#125435 - 01/25/06 02:19 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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Registered: 08/25/04
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>ALSO, I am thinking of ordering from the factory outlet to save some money. Are there major difference compare to the regular price ones??

At the end of the production line someone visually inspects over each speaker very carefully. If they find even a tiny "ding" in the finish the speaker goes in the Factory Outlet inventory; if perfect it goes in normal inventory. I bought my QS8s from FO; each had one small dent in an edge, like a thumbnail pressed into it, not visible from more than a foot or so away.

re: M60 vs. M80 and "the 4 ohm thing" -- main difference is that the M80s can play very loudly without straining at all, while the M60s can start to hit their limits if you are playing really loud in a large room. M80s are a 4 ohm speaker which essentially "draws more power" from the receiver at any given volume setting, but also plays more loudly with that extra power. Denon, HK and NAD designs seem to be very reliable with 4 ohm speakers; Yamahas used to have problems with 4 ohm loads -- they would get hot and shut down if you played really loudly. If you go with M80s I think most of us would suggest you match them with the Denon.

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#125436 - 01/25/06 02:28 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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Registered: 01/16/06
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thanks everyone, you guys really help to narrow down on what i should get and help explain all these tech specification.

i am now certain to go with the m60, vp150 and q8s through factory outlet. And i guess the yamaha rxv2500 will be fine.

Now, one last question is what i should do about the sub. Last time, a lot of people recommended the ep500, now i am seriously considering it. Now, what do you guys think about the EP350??? Would you guys still suggest the ep500??? i could afford it but i just don't know if i can appreciate it. Me, being all new to home theather system.
plus, i don't like to watch movies with loud speakers and sub, it is more about quality and clarity and realism of sound than loudness/more power.
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#125437 - 01/25/06 02:33 AM Re: narrowed it down to two receivers, need input
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Blackie, I just threw that 2500 test link in at no extra charge because there's been some discussion about Yamaha and other receivers as to how well they drive 4 ohm speakers(such as the M80s, if you would decide to get them instead of the M60s, which are 8 ohms). A 4 ohm speaker has lower impedance and allows more current to flow, which in extreme cases could cause amplifiers to start to overheat; their protective circuits would then shut them down. The link shows that when they tested the 2500 into a 4 ohm load it had power outputs in the area of 200 watts, which is more than it's likely would ever be used in the typical home setup.

Yes, order from the outlet with confidence; most of us who've done that have had a hard time finding the slight cosmetic blemishes said to be present.
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