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#144309 - 07/27/06 05:40 PM If you had a choice between...
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EDIT: added Surround speakers.

I am in a pretty big dillema. The more I research Axiom Audio the more I am finding my budget increasing and I am wanting the bigger and better speakers.

For a medium sized room (15x15 lets say). Which of the following would you choose? Money is kind of an issue, but not really. I could choose any of the 3 options.

These are for the front 3 channels and sub only. I already know what I am getting for surround sound. (these are all Canadian prices BTW).

I will be using these for probably 60% movies, 40% DVD 5.1 concerts/music.

Option 1:

2 x M22 = $530 CAD
2 Stands = $130 CAD (not from Axiom)
1 x VP150 = $465 CAD
2 x QS4 = $490 CAD
2 FMS QS Stands = $330 CAD
SUB - SVS PB10 = $600 CAD (includes shipping)
Total: $2545 CAD

Option 2:

2 x M50 = $860 CAD
1 x VP150 = $465 CAD
SUB SVS PB10 = $600 CAD
2 x QS4 = $490 CAD
2 x FMS QS Stands = $330 CAD
TOTAL: $2745 CAD

Option 3 (no sub until I save up for it):

2 x M60 = $1120 CAD
1 x VP150 = $465 CAD
2 x QS8 = $620 CAD
2 x FMS QS Stands = $330 CAD
TOTAL = $2553 CAD

I should have NEVER come to these forums, ARGH! Am I going crazy?

-Robb.


Edited by Hutzal (07/27/06 06:11 PM)
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#144310 - 07/27/06 05:49 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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Option 1 myself.
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#144311 - 07/27/06 06:03 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Haoleb]
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Option 1 is what I had originally planned until I started slacking off at work doing searches on these forums all day!

"should i get the M60...no...the M50....mabey the M60...Mabey i'll stick with the M22s...but then i might want to upgrade later..."

Its a never ending thought pattern.
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#144312 - 07/27/06 06:04 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Haoleb]
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No surrounds?

I'd modify option one to include a pair of QS4s and change the center to a VP100.
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#144313 - 07/27/06 06:12 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Ken.C]
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No surrounds?

I'd modify option one to include a pair of QS4s and change the center to a VP100.




I just added surrounds to all the packages. Why not a VP150? I don't want to regret not getting a killer centre channel later on when there are only 2 options and the Centre is a pretty important piece.
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#144314 - 07/27/06 07:11 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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The VP100 is pretty good in and of itself, and in a room that size, the 150 would approach overkill. Also, I generally want to spend more on the mains than the center, just 'cause that's the way I am.
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#144315 - 07/27/06 07:28 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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3.

Get the best mains you can. QS8s are a must!

You'd be surprised how much bass is in the floorstanders. My son runs a 5.0 system while saving for a sub (like the EP500).

I like the floorstanders for music without the sub.

You have to understand that I don't think "overkill" is possible. I don't like "adequate" either!

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#144316 - 07/27/06 07:33 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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I like option 3, save for the sub and get the best Axiom has to offer, that way you can avoid upgraditis.
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#144317 - 07/27/06 08:17 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: Hutzal]
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Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
Given that you want to avoid upgradeitis (always a wise decision ) I would go with 3b :


2 x M60 = $1120 CAD
2 x QS8 = $620 CAD
SUB SVS PB10 = $600 CAD
Hang the QS8s on the wall for now, buy stands and center later.
TOTAL = $2340 CAD, 2670 if you can't hang on the walls.

Here's my thinking :

- no matter how good the bass on mains is, a good sub makes a HUGE difference in movie enjoyment

- in a 15x15 room you are not going to have a huge seating area so you can probably live without the "anchoring" effect of a center channel for a while

- you are totally future-proofed if/when you get a larger room in the future (that's the main downside with a smaller system, by the way)

- you have great floorstanding mains for stereo music

- you have QS8s

I am running the FMS-QS stands with QS8s and am very happy with them, but if I had side walls in my listening room I would be hanging 'em on the wall instead. You can hang QS surrounds pretty much anywhere (mine weren't even at the same height) and they still work well.

EDIT -- two other points :

1. Remember that you get a 5% discount off the price when you buy any 5 speakers, or in fact any 5 "things". If you go with option 3b that is only 4 "things" so buy a cable or something to get up to 5.

2. Bigger speakers are not automatically better, although they are generally "better in a bigger room". In a small room M2s or M22s with a good sub will be as good as you would ever want, but in a much larger room the little speakers will sound great at low volumes but they won't be able to open up and fill the room at high volumes.

I ran M2s plus a big-ass sub for a while in a 10x13 corner of a larger room and was very happy with the results. The M2s are extremely accurate speakers, even compared to the rest of the Axiom line, but they are small. When I used the whole 13x23 room the M2s sounded "small and weak" unless I sat close while the M60s sounded "big and clear".

If you are not likely to move into a bigger room in the future I wouldn't worry about future-proofing so much -- but if you really want the M60s and don't mind adding the last bits later then you would always regret getting anything else.

I started with M2s and a sub, then added M60s about 9 months later, then a center, then QS8s, then finally QS stands, spread over about 2 years.


Edited by bridgman (07/27/06 08:35 PM)

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#144318 - 07/27/06 09:06 PM Re: If you had a choice between... [Re: bridgman]
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Loc: western canada
Ditto what bridgman said.
I'm not typing it all in.
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