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Is the VP150 suitable for use as both the center and as mounted L/R front speakers?
They would obviously be perfectly matched, the VP150 can handle more power than the W22s, they don't take up floor space like the M60s/M80s (a spouse requirement) and they can be aimed--unlike the W22s. On the flipside, the VP150 is obviously not designed for this purpose. It also operates at 6 ohms, whereas the W22s operate at 8 ohms--not sure if that makes a difference.
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Would it work, yes. Would it be something I would try, probably not. There is a reason that mains/bookshelves have their drivers orientated vertically versus horizontally, like a center channel speaker. The tweeters are on top for a reason. Also, the enclosure is shaped differently. If you turned the VP150 on its side, you would have a tweeter on top and bottom. Also, the VP150 can't produce the same bass as a larger woofer.
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Get M22's and Axiom Full Metal Brackets instead.
The VP150 is a great speaker, but is specifically designed to be oriented horizontally. I don't think three of them would image very well. Also, as Randy mentioned, it is a sealed speaker, and won't play as low as the M22.
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Actually, Alan told me once that they sounded pretty good in vertical orientations as LR speakers. But they may also be much larger than you expect...
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Thanks, sirquack, et al. I've been reading your posts, so I'm glad that you responded. Do you have any concerns about the Architectural series or should I just get M60s/M80s and politely ignore spousal grumblings?
My home theater is medium to large-ish (18L x 14W x 8H), fully enclosed, with a 104" diagonal screen. My main concerns with the M22s are threefold:
1. May not be large enough for this room
2. Can't be aimed at the listening area
3. Will need to sit too high on the wall (tweeter at approximately 50-55")
Thoughts?
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As John suggested, if you get the full metal bracket that Axiom sells you can aim them at the listening position. This would take care of concerns 2 & 3.
For that sized room the M60s would be nice, but it depends on your listening level preferences.
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Thanks, sirquack, et al. I've been reading your posts, so I'm glad that you responded. Do you have any concerns about the Architectural series or should I just get M60s/M80s and politely ignore spousal grumblings?
My home theater is medium to large-ish (18L x 14W x 8H), fully enclosed, with a 104" diagonal screen. My main concerns with the M22s are threefold:
1. May not be large enough for this room
2. Can't be aimed at the listening area
3. Will need to sit too high on the wall (tweeter at approximately 50-55")
Thoughts?
My HT room is roughly the same size as yours. I have the 22s, and they sound great but in my opinion they are at the edge of their effectiveness in that room. Not close enough that I'm desperate to switch to 60s, but on the edge. I would suggest the 60s. Also the VP150, not being ported, probably would not be the best for music playback.
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Ummm, Dave, John's not here, man. I always aspire to ignore spousal grumblings. Just get the 60's. You know you want them. Then, you can learn the secret handshake and become part of the posse and everything.  j/k. It really does depend upon how loud you want it. But anecdotal evidence suggests that you'll want it louder AFTER your Axioms than you did before.
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LOL, Well said as usual on all three comments 
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Thanks everyone. Now how do I block out the grumblings without otherwise compromising the sound?
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>>Now how do I block out the grumblings without otherwise compromising the sound?
If the grumblings are coming from outside the HT room then a second layer of drywall with a slight air gap works really well.
If the grumblings are coming from inside the room then treating the area around spouse's seating position with 2-4" thick rigid fiberglass or foam will absorb a lot of the offending frequencies.
It's normally easier to preclude or delay the grumbling by doing something nice just before the speakers arrive than it is to block out the grumbling after the fact.
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Ummm, Dave, John's not here, man.
I thought that bit went, "Dave's not here"???
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Now how do I block out the grumblings without otherwise compromising the sound?
Just turn up the Axioms  Seriously, explain the pros and cons, maybe she'll see your point. And tell her based on the room size we recommend the M60s. (We recommend either, but certainly the 60s if you can swing it).
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Thanks everyone. Now how do I block out the grumblings without otherwise compromising the sound?
Luckily, the Axiom speakers not only have a pretty small footprint, they also are superbly crafted speakers even in the default vinyl. I've read more than one post here that mentions the wife's reaction as milder-than-expected to downright positive.
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Thanks everyone. Now how do I block out the grumblings without otherwise compromising the sound?
Luckily, the Axiom speakers not only have a pretty small footprint, they also are superbly crafted speakers even in the default vinyl. I've read more than one post here that mentions the wife's reaction as milder-than-expected to downright positive.
My wife saw them and said that the 80's I got were HUGE. Once the 600 showed up, she almost ripped me a new one...hehe. Finally, I set it all up, she heard it...and started to turn it up herself...
Guess you just have to like music, and toys. 
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You, my friend, sound like you know a thing or two about noise cancellation technology. Now that I know such a simple solution exists, I'm going for the M80s and 1-2 EP600s.
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Uh-oh 
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When I took down the Bose cubes and put in the M80s the wife frowned but said they didn't look too bad. When the slow dance music started, she was all smiles.
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VP100's as mains. Just for show, though... 
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Is the VP150 suitable for use as both the center and as mounted L/R front speakers?
They would obviously be perfectly matched, the VP150 can handle more power than the W22s, they don't take up floor space like the M60s/M80s (a spouse requirement) and they can be aimed--unlike the W22s. On the flipside, the VP150 is obviously not designed for this purpose. It also operates at 6 ohms, whereas the W22s operate at 8 ohms--not sure if that makes a difference.
Get the M60s with the nice wood finish to match your decore. You get to try them out for a month, once you got them in there looking great and sounding even better you are likely to change her mind.
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