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DW, yes of course the basic quality of receivers should be judged without any special sound processing in effect. When that's the case and the volume levels are calibrated to be within 0.1dB of each other, neither the Yamahas nor any of the other receivers available from major manufacturers add any audible coloration to the sound and they can't be distinguished from each other in blind listening tests..
Once that emotional line has been crossed, 'thinking you are hearing a difference' is the same as hearing a difference. Also, both of these receivers have automatic EQ/Level adjustment. I doubt they both work exactly the same-and I doubt that they will produce the same sound. I just can't believe that all receivers sound exactly the same-I could definately tell the difference between Pioneer and Rotel in the same price class on an a/b switch.
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Then look at ubid for several B-stock options including a Denon 2106 for $400. I got my Denon 3805 from ubid with no problems. (Though I am thinking real hard about the Outlaw 990 right now.)
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DW, yes of course the basic quality of receivers should be judged without any special sound processing in effect. When that's the case and the volume levels are calibrated to be within 0.1dB of each other, neither the Yamahas nor any of the other receivers available from major manufacturers add any audible coloration to the sound and they can't be distinguished from each other in blind listening tests..
I got to thinking about this, and stating that two receivers will be indistinguishable is a pretty absurd statement. In fact receivers have electronics inside specfically geared toward altering the source sound. I'd be surprised if most people couldn't tell the difference between two receivers in a blind test. There may not be a clear preference-but I think most people could tell you when one was playing versus another.
Once that emotional line has been crossed, 'thinking you are hearing a difference' is the same as hearing a difference. Also, both of these receivers have automatic EQ/Level adjustment. I doubt they both work exactly the same-and I doubt that they will produce the same sound. I just can't believe that all receivers sound exactly the same-I could definately tell the difference between Pioneer and Rotel in the same price class on an a/b switch.
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I'd be surprised if most people couldn't tell the difference between two receivers in a blind test. There may not be a clear preference-but I think most people could tell you when one was playing versus another.
Quite a few notable blind listening tests performed in the past few decades have shown that that is in fact not the case. I agree with you that it seems counter-intuitive, but the only argument you can make against blind listening tests as a reliable testing methodology is that they somehow mask differences that actually exist between amplifiers.
Then you'd have to prove it.
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Well, the real trick is turning off all of those gewgaws--eg the tone controls (duh), special processing modes, equalization. At that point, well designed receivers should sound the same. Otherwise, they're not well designed.
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