Re: EP350 vs. SVS ??
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Wow, the SVS PB12-NSD is only 599.00 US, and Imo makes it a better bargain here. Now there are also some very good subs from HSU in that range.
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Here is the Canadian distributor for HSU. Not much better pricing, seems the Axiom subs really are a bargain up here.
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Re: EP350 vs. SVS ??
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The HSU's can be bought online from the HSU website and shipped to Canada, not sure what SVS's policy is.
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The PB12-NSD from SVS is $779.00 CAD, where the EP350 from the outlet will be $675.00 CAD. I'm just wondering if the SVS is truly a better sub for the extra $100.
I live in calgary as well (not that it matters much) but I went through the exact thing you are going through now. I must have "almost" bought at least 4 different subs not knowing which to go with. PB-10, PB-12, PCi 20-39, PC+ 20-30...
I finally decided I wanted quality sound and deep bass. I wanted something musical that would compliment my M22s. So I broke it down to the SVS PC+ 20-39 and the EP500. The EP500 was $40 more than the SVS when ordering from the factory outlet, and has scored rave reviews all over the internet for being a fantastic sub with advanced digital attributes.
It was then that I decided that getting a $1200 sub is worth it, because I will be getting deep clean musical bass down to 18hz.
A year from now, I will not regret it, however if I went with a lower end sub, I might have.
Just my 2 cents
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Part of the problem is that they're all really good subs. You can't really make a wrong decision. There is obviously (and rightfully so) a slight bias towards the EP500/600 around here. They are, by many reviews, amazing subs.
I narrowed my sub choices down to a VTF-3, PCi+20-39, or an outlet EP500. I've had various subs in shopping carts for the past year, and finally bit the bullet and went with SVS. I went with them because of price and because I'd just wanted an SVS for so long. Believe me, I was || <-this close to buying an EP500. I don't regret it one bit, and I'm sure I'd be just as thrilled if I had bought an EP500.
One thing to keep in mind is that SVS just bumped the price up by $100 on the PCI+ line. When I bought my 20-39+ two weeks ago, it was $799. Now it's $899. That's basically $100 difference from an outlet EP500, considering that shipping on the PCI+ is about $30.
Regardless, I am now a firm believer that a good sub makes all the difference in the world.
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Hutzal, I understand your logic. The only thing is its not consistent with my priorities right now. I'm a best bang for the buck kind of guy. I chose the pioneer 1015 amp over the Denon 3805 to save some $$ and still have great performance. I then put that savings into my kids education, home improvement, hockey equip for my son, etc. I should have done this before we had kids That being said, I'll probably look at something like the HSU Stf-3 on sale for 20% off in the US and bank the extra $600. I may regret it and upgrade later or I may find it adequate. BTW, I auditioned some speakers at Jakewash's place yesterday and I really thought the M22's were clean and transparent sounding. The bass was present but not overpowering, not bright as some critics say. I think I will start building my HT system around a pair of them and some QS8's. thanks for the feedback.
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>>Hutzal, I understand your logic. The only thing is its not consistent with my priorities right now. I'm a best bang for the buck kind of guy.>> I would be the exact same way if I had kids as well. I told my wife (now married for a year and 2 months) that I wanted ALL my HT gear before we have kids so that I can spend the money where it is needed later on in life. Cudos to you for being a responsible parent! >>That being said, I'll probably look at something like the HSU Stf-3 on sale for 20% off in the US and bank the extra $600. I may regret it and upgrade later or I may find it adequate.>> I am sure you will be more than happy with the HSU STF-3. The problem living in Canada is there aren't as good as prices as the americans get with electronics, hence why in the end I chose to go with the EP500...had I lived in the states I probably would have opted for the PC+ 20-39. >>BTW, I auditioned some speakers at Jakewash's place yesterday and I really thought the M22's were clean and transparent sounding.>> Sheesh! Seems like everyone and his dog has heard his system, I REALLY should get over there just to go I think I'll be over there this month to check it out, he has made it clear that his doors are open for auditions and listening sessions >>The bass was present but not overpowering, not bright as some critics say. I think I will start building my HT system around a pair of them and some QS8's.>> Thats great to hear, as I ordered the M22s as well. Too many reviews state Anemic bass, but if the balance is good, then that is what i call a well designed speaker. I am sure you'll love your system!
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The HSU site in the US is showing 20% off for the STF-2 and STF-3. With the shipping, customs and tax it may still be less expensive than buying an STF-3 in Canada.
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ctown,
Here is a short example of what happens when you buy stuff from the states:
"Our example is a Projector.
Say the projector is: $1,699 USD Shipping cost to BC is $ 114 USD
Your first expense is Visa / MasterCard charge you an additional 2.5 Percent on your USD to Canadian conversion rate, referred to as a Service fee. ( CIBC fees )
Today August 8, 2006 the current visa rate from CIBC Visa is 1.1398
USD to Canadian conversion. Multiply by 1.1398 So far your Canadian Dollar total for the projector is: $2,066.45
Unfortunately, The Government has not got their share yet, Local taxes.
On this $2,066.45 purchase you are paying an additional 13% Federal and Provincial tax, this adds $268.64
Running total is now $2,335.09
Still more you are asking ? Yes. Brokerage charges and Duties, we have provided links to UPS rates for your reference.
UPS and all other Brokers have a Entry Prep Fee Projector image Entry Prep Fee on this Order is 66.70 + gst Total of $70.70 Running total is now $2,405.79 Next is the Disbursement Fees Disbursement Fees in this case are 2.7 percent, a total of taxes and duties paid Total $11.44 Additionally, Duties will be applied per the regulated amount by Canada Customs, this typically ranges 7.5 percent on Projector related equipment.
Add $154.95 on this shipment for Duties
Your grand total is 2405.79+ 154.95 + 11.44 = $2,572.18CDN
Your cost on this purchase from us was $2,328.82 a SAVINGS of $242.36 !"
However in our case we would only be charged 6% GST, not 13%.
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Thanks, I wasnt sure what duty applied or if it was a free trade product. I know there are different schedules of duties based on the country of manufacture.
I'm thinking a $479 sub becomes approx $550 with exchange and whatever duties on it are extra.
If I buy from the Canadian site, its $799, again GST and Shipping on top of that. I was hoping an EP350 would be similar as at least you can get that for $675 plus tax delivered from the outlet. The concensus seems to be the SVS or HSU offerings are better unless I look at EP500.
Oh well, have to mull this one over some more. Thanks for the info.
In both cases I have to pay GST and shipping, although shipping from the US will be more.
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