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#153775 - 12/19/06 10:18 AM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: Tarun]
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Registered: 01/29/04
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I can totally relate, my 2.5yr old and 8yr old son are always running around upstairs causing my ceiling mounted Sanyo Z2 to jiggle around.

I really am trying to figure out how I can sell my 2805 and get a 2807 or 3806 Denon, arrrrrggggh

I hate how technology always changes.
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#153776 - 12/19/06 11:02 AM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 10/03/05
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Loc: Toronto
Thanks for the reference Randy. I found the forum discussion very informative. There are several posters including Gene who cast doubts about its effectiveness below 100hz.

"...would opt for the PEQ of your sub over what Audyssey is doing for bass. So far our experience is it either does nothing below around 100Hz (original firmware loaded in our 5805 review unit) or causes more problems than in solves (latest firmware currently undertest)."

I think it does a very good job at the higher frequencies but I've rarely seen an automated setup of bass that was optimal. Maybe the latest version addresses it, I don't know.
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#153777 - 12/19/06 11:23 AM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: SirQuack]
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Randy after I read that I'm getting a bad case of upgraditis, the 2807 or the 4806 are sure looking nice, isn't about that time for the new models to start rolling out?
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#153778 - 12/19/06 11:26 AM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: jakeman]
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I assume your referring to Gene from Audioholics? Funny, on the Audyssey website, he could not say enough good things about the results. Maybe they paid him, ha ha...
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#153779 - 12/19/06 11:49 AM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: SirQuack]
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He is usually pretty good though I haven't read his comments at the website. LF automatic equalization is very difficult to do because of the huge processing requirment. I find the same thing with the SMS-1 which is dedicated to sub frequency optimization. When I run automatic setup it is not that accurate. The processing power required to do LF automatically and accuratetly is beyond the chips capability.

At the start of 2005 I was thinking seriously about buying an Anthem D1 processor and for the $$s I wasn't happy that it didn't have auto-equalization. The Anthem engineers I spoke to confirmed they had looked at it but weren't satisfied that any program on the market at that time had enough processing power to do LF accuately. I suppose as chips get bigger and faster it will be less of a problem.
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#153780 - 12/19/06 12:10 PM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: HomeDad]
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Quote:

Randy after I read that I'm getting a bad case of upgraditis, the 2807 or the 4806 are sure looking nice, isn't about that time for the new models to start rolling out?




They are rolling out after the first of the year. I doubt you could get your hands on one prior to June'ish. It looks as if they are getting HDMI 1.3.

I've downloaded the 126 page owner's manual of the 4306 and so far, I'm liking it. The 4806 and 4806CI don't have much on it other than some upscaling and THX. Not real sure that's worth the extra grand.
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#153781 - 12/19/06 06:23 PM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: jakeman]
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I believe this is the first product to use a fuzzy logic approach.
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#153782 - 12/22/06 05:49 PM Re: Denon Audessey Setup - Subwoofer Distance [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 05/27/05
Posts: 295
Loc: Hillsborough, NJ
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I believe this is the first product to use a fuzzy logic approach.




Fuzzy or not, , I tried it. It takes about 15 minutes to do the whole setup. I then went ahead and played Starwars III and the bass response was great.

The sub showed at about 25ft away from the main listening positions, eventhough it is about 8 ft away. I have the sub in bypass and flat.

Now then...the only real issue I noticed was that the QS8's were set to 100hz and the Back Surround QS8's at 110. The M80's and VP150 were automatically set to large.

So far it sounds great...but a few more REAL movies later I will have an accurate assesment.
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