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Is there a reason why
#155954 01/16/07 11:29 PM
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a M36 V2 (hypothetical) speaker does not exist? This 3-way speaker would target the "sweetspot" between the M22 and M50 and consist of the following configuration: A single 1" tweeter, a single 5.25" midrange, and a single 6.5" woofer. This would seem to allow for performance representation in each frequency range. Just curious. Are there technical limitations/rationale that make this an unappealing configuration?

My circumstances call for something like this (I'm in a cozy 800 sf condo with 10' high concrete ceilings ... just used during the work week ... thus not much loud music or hardcore HT viewing). My gut was to go with the M22s, but I fear that I'll have to supplement the sound with a sub (want to be sensitive to neighbors in the condo environment) ... or the M50s, but fear that I'll get fuller sound, but sacrifice some mid-range clarity.

Will be driving this with a Yamaha RX-V659. Would the M22s give me enough base (not a thumper, but would like a full sound range). Any pearls of wisdom?

Just for reference, here’s my set-up at the primary residence:

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I'd be willing to bet that Axiom has tested prototypes like that, and that the reason they don't exist for purchase is that they simply don't sound as good as the M22.

I'd just get a pair of M22's and a modest sub. Properly calibrated and judiciously applied, it shouldn't bother the neighbors any more than any other setup.


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First time I've ever heard it called an M36. Do a search on M45, and you'll probably find a ton of nicely combative threads.

Needless to say, it doesn't, and I wouldn't count on it ever existing.


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Thanks gang. Pulled the trigger on a pair of M22s tonight. That was my gut all along. Will try them in my space and supplement with a "modest sub" as necessary (maybe the HSU STF-1?).

BTW, the "math" on the mythical M36 was as follows: (M)50 -(M)22 = 28 ... (M)22 + 14 (half) = M36. I did the suggested (M45) search. Referring to Alan as a "twit" is blasphemy!

Thanks again for helping to validate my thinking!

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For what your talking about the little Hsu would mate really well with the M22's.

The M22ti's were my first Axiom speaker purchase. It was after very lengthy listening sessions of countless speakers that I finally made my purchase. I'm still in love with the Axiom sound.

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I have been saying all along that the M22's due in fact have quite abit of nice bass, tight and not thumpy. I found I had to isolate them from their shelf with rubber feet to get them to sound more full down low. The sub will definately add that extra bit to fill out the sound as low as we have become accustomed to.


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Alan Croft reported on a blind listening test he did recently while at the factory. When the curtain was pulled back it turned out he was listening to the M22's mounted on a wall. He reported they reproduced the excellent mid and high frequencies that they are most noted for but that being so close to the wall also reinforced the base nicely and the M22's produced more base than he had previously experienced.

You might want to try this before purchasing the sub. It might just meet your listening desires.

Paul

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I think you mean Alan Lloft


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I think you mean Alan Lloft




I think you mean Alan Loft.


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You mean Alan Lofft.

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BrenR #155964 01/17/07 11:15 PM
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Are you all sure you didn't mean Laura Croft?

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You mean Lara Croft?

Good lord, guys, can none of you spell?!?

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BrenR #155966 01/17/07 11:30 PM
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I knew I was misspelling it as I pressed Post it... But it's more funny this way!


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I knew I was misspelling it as I pressed Post it... But it's more funny this way!




lol, as did I, I kinda had this feeling Bren would reply with a spelling correction, hahah.


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Funnier.

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You mean Lara Croft?

Good lord, guys, can none of you spell?!?

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Compared to the gaming forums I have been frequenting lately and all of their text messaging shorthand and just plain misspelling this forum is a blessing.


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Tell me about it. I can even learn to put up with Randy's constant confusion of homophones!


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LOL! It's those double "f's" that throw everyone. I've gotten Alan Frost and Alan Soft, but the "Croft" is a new one. Most amusing so far is Aloo Toffet in an email from Asia.

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Is that you Moises Alou?

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Who is Lara (or Laura) Croft? Why is that name familiar? Was she a character on "Twin Peaks"?


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Who is Lara (or Laura) Croft? Why is that name familiar? Was she a character on "Twin Peaks"?




Does "Tomb Raider" ring a bell?


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Who is Lara (or Laura) Croft? Why is that name familiar? Was she a character on "Twin Peaks"?




Does "Tomb Raider" ring a bell?




Also known as Angelina Jolie,

Not mention being a "Home Wrecker" with Brad Pitt, she also starred opposite of Brad Pitt on "Mr. and Mrs. Smith".

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Home wrecker, welcome to wreck my home anytime she wants.


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Alan, you aren't that far off with the "twin peaks". That is certainly a big part of her appeal.

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Sorry about the misspell Alan. At least it led to a few laughs and visions of Angelina's twin peaks.

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Alan Croft reported on a blind listening test he did recently while at the factory. When the curtain was pulled back it turned out he was listening to the M22's mounted on a wall. He reported they reproduced the excellent mid and high frequencies that they are most noted for but that being so close to the wall also reinforced the base nicely and the M22's produced more base than he had previously experienced.

You might want to try this before purchasing the sub. It might just meet your listening desires.

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with all of that...no one mentioned 'base'.

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with all of that...no one mentioned 'base'.




Your right! I noticed it to.


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I've seen that on quite a few threads as of late.


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Craig,

I totally missed it! And it's in there more than once. I was distracted by Croft I guess.


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I like sea base.


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That hurt so much that I'm crying.


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I noticed it frequently of late, but didn't want to be that guy that's always correcting others.


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I notice it all the time and it kinda drives me a little buggy, but I never say anything. I only pointed it out this time because you were all having such fun pointing out all the spelling errors in the names.

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Gotta admit that when I see it in the subject line and I reply, I correct the spelling.


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