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KlipschGuy #162945 03/31/07 01:20 PM
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It's great that you didn't have to spend too much time tweaking for the imaging. I have noticed that most Axiom users that have posted pictures don't toe in or toe in very slightly. I was wondering if that was because most use their systems for theatre rather than music. I found that I didn't have to toe in very much to get good separation and a nice sweet spot. But now with the toe-in, I have a huuuuge sweet spot. I can move my head two feet off-centre and not affect the image. I did have to move my speakers further apart to achieve this though. Enjoy your system.

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Mojo #162946 03/31/07 02:55 PM
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Thanks MoJo,
My speaks are about 10' apart and 12' from the sweet spot, I shall try some massive toe in for giggles but am very pleased so far.
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Mojo #162947 03/31/07 04:59 PM
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Could you provide some pics of just how much toe in you are using. My Axioms are in a music only system.


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Wid #162948 03/31/07 10:26 PM
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Could you provide some pics of just how much toe in you are using. My Axioms are in a music only system.




Here's a picture of my set-up. The M80s and my listening position form an 8 foot equilateral triangle. If I toe them in any further, the sweet area becomes a sweet spot. If I toe them out any further, I start losing my sound-stage. BTW, I'm not quite finished yet as I have a few loose wires to clean up. I'll be posting pictures of the whole room soon. The jack above the Samsung was supposed to be for another centre but I realize now that I don't need it. And yeah...that's my portable CD player because my Sony DVD player can no longer play audio CDs. That's my 4th Sony component that has failed in the last 6 years!



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Toe-in is tricky and time-consuming to set up perfectly. There isn't a magic angle. It's dependent on your room (how far apart are the speakers), your listening position (how far back you sit), and how much free play you want for the 'sweet' spot/area.

In my experience, if you have one specific seat that you want to be *perfect*, you're going to use more toe-in: with the speakers almost pointing directly at you, or slightly behind you. That one spot will then be awesome, but you'll quickly lose the soundstage and depth effects as you move away from that spot. Less toe-in means the 'sweet' area becomes broader, but you get slightly less amazing soundstage and placement across the area.

The closer you sit to the speakers, the more difficult and picky your toe-in setup will be. I sit about 10 feet away from my M80's, and they're toed in about 15 degrees and that makes my whole couch a sweet spot.

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The closer you sit to the speakers, the more difficult and picky your toe-in setup will be.




That's exactly what I found and that's why it took me 60 some odd hours to set the M80s up. I have to sit close unfortunately as I have a post behind the couch. I'm not complaining though because the sound is incredible and I can live with a smaller monitor. Now I have to somehow nail the M80s down because if they move even a nanometer, the whole effect will collapse .

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That is some pretty aggressive toe in. Mine is nowhere near what you have done. Never the less they do sound fantastic.

You have a really nice looking set up, very clean looking.


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Thanks, Wid. I gutted my basement so it was pretty easy to create a clean install.

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MoJo, thats a real nice looking setup you have there, well done! Does look a little close though but as long as it sounds good, woo hoo! Thats why it took so long to find the sweet spot I guess?
Congrats!
I will post pics of my HT soon, just pulled a couch out of the room that was blocking the left speaker with dramatic results in SQ. Watched the Doobies "live at Wolf Trap" last night at some pretty darn loud SPL's and it sounded fantastic. Video is 9.5/10 too if you are interested, damn near HD thru the Oppo upconvert, lovely!

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Re: Guess I should change my name
KlipschGuy #162954 04/01/07 04:04 PM
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I'm afraid I didn't have too much choice on the distance to the speakers. I have a post behind the couch. I could have gotten rid of the post but 1. it was mucho dollero, 2. it would have dropped my ceiling another 4" as the engineer said I'd have to put in a deeper cross-beam and 3. I need the space for a foosball table.

I just ordered the Oppo 970 from advice I received on another post. Which one do you have?

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