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#164192 - 04/06/07 02:07 PM M60 - small or large?
Joe_in_SC Offline
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I just picked up a pair of M60s to replace my M22s as the main speakers in my surround set up. I also have a VP100 center, QS4 surrounds and a sub.
With the extended bass range of the M60s, I'm confused about whether to set them as large or small.
Also looking for suggestions for the crossover setting. My receiver is a Denon AVR-3803 if that matters.
Thanks.
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#164193 - 04/06/07 02:19 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: Joe_in_SC]
littleb Offline
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Registered: 08/03/03
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Hey Joe,

You too, eh! I've tried both. I'm not sure which I prefer. I think it works either large or small. Whatever your personal preference is would be your norm.

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#164194 - 04/06/07 02:22 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: Joe_in_SC]
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This question comes up often...I owned 60's for 2 years and now have 80's. I still use small, with a 80hz crossover on the receiver. My Denon 2805 just has one crossover setting that applies to all speakers. Not familiar with the model you have, it might have individual settings for each speaker?

This would allow you to look at the specs of each speaker and set the crossover a little higher or lower, depending on the speakers abilities.

Yes, the 60's have a much lower range than the 22's, however, you will still get killer performance out of them with an 80hz crossover. The sub will do a better job in those lower categories, as it was intended. Also, when we say 80hz, I don't believe it just CUTS off there, you have a gradual slope or blend, when it passes off to the sub.

Also, make sure your not using the crossover on your sub at the same time...
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#164195 - 04/06/07 02:47 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: SirQuack]
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Registered: 03/23/07
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Loc: Waterloo, On
I would suggest that large is acceptable for 2 channel music listening if you prefer it without a sub. However, for movies it is highly recommended that one sets their speakers to small regardless of size as some heavy bass such as explosions in a soundtrack can quickly turn your speakers into Mondays garbage, by setting to small all of the potentialy damaging bass is sent to where it should be handled, the sub.

Enjoy your new 60's
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#164196 - 04/06/07 03:32 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: Joe_in_SC]
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Registered: 10/06/06
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Loc: CT
I would agree with setting the M60s to small for home theater application. A review of the EP600 and M80s (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/axiom/axiom_2.html) illustrates this point by stating: " And don't be shy about crossing over whatever speakers you are using at 85Hz or so and let the EP600 carry the load. The larger your speakers, the more robustly they can produce down to 85Hz for a perfect hand-off to the EP600" . If you take this logic and have a decent subwoofer, you may benefit by setting the M60 to small . The cross-over setting that is used most often and also recommended by THX (if you are into that sort of following) is 80Hz. Finally, by setting your M60s to small, you will also benefit your amp as it will work less while focusing its efforts above the set cross over.

John (also in CT)
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#164197 - 04/06/07 03:41 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: Joe_in_SC]
Mojo Offline
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Registered: 01/21/07
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I have M80s. What I find works great in my environment is having them set to small, always, with a cross-over of 40 Hz when I'm listening to music and 80 Hz when I'm watching movies. You may want to try this too.

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#164198 - 04/06/07 03:50 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: Mojo]
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It would be nice if my receiver would allow me to set a different crossover when listening tomusic via CD or direct modes, and something different for movies, seems that would make sense.
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#164199 - 04/06/07 04:00 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: SirQuack]
Mojo Offline
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I agree.

Ultimately, I want to see a configurable cut-off frequency matrix consisting of channels as the rows and music mode as the columns. In each of those cells, I want to be able to enter unique cross-over frequencies in increments of at least 5 Hz.

And I want to see volume increments of 0.1 dB. This is more important for the pre-amp section so that I can squeeze as much power out of the power amp before it starts clipping (or shutting down).

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#164200 - 04/06/07 04:37 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: SirQuack]
bridgman Offline
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Registered: 08/25/04
Posts: 5431
Loc: Bowmanville, Ontario, Canada
>>It would be nice if my receiver would allow me to set a different crossover when listening tomusic via CD or direct modes, and something different for movies, seems that would make sense.

Can you say "Harman Kardon" ? I knew you could...

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#164201 - 04/06/07 05:35 PM Re: M60 - small or large? [Re: Joe_in_SC]
PeterChenoweth Offline
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Registered: 10/23/03
Posts: 1349
Loc: Jacksonville, IL
I like my M80's set to small with the crossover at 60hz. I like the lows from the M80's, but I want my SVS to handle the really deep stuff.

So Harman/Kardon AVR's allow multiple crossover settings for different sources? That's very cool, and a very excellent idea.


Edited by PeterChenoweth (04/06/07 05:38 PM)
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