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#195737 - 02/10/08 06:58 PM new denon flagship models
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Registered: 04/04/07
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well, I checked out the denon webiste and found this:
http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/AVReceivers.asp

You can see the two new models at the top, a processor and a seperate 10 channel amp.

At $7,000 each your talking a lot of cash.

Looks impressive, but I am not sure about plunking down 14k on these two guys.

What do you think?
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#195742 - 02/10/08 07:52 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: terzaghi]
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And just to clarify, by no means am I even considering purchasing these things.
Number one I don't have that kind of money

and number 2, I would find a better way to spend it if i did. You could opt for a denon 5308 and an axiom amp for a little more than half that and I think you would keep most of the features.

I just found it interesting.... and wondered if anyone would consider such an "investment"
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#195744 - 02/10/08 08:10 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: terzaghi]
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Only if I was obscenely rich. I don't see how they can justify $7000 for a preamplifier. What makes it worth $5400 more than my Integra DTC-9.8? Faster HDMI handshaking? No clicks when changing sound modes? GUI as a translucent overlay? A few different logos on the front? At $4000 ($4300 after tax), my TV was the most expensive purchase I've ever made, but it was a huge jump up from my 32" CRT HDTV. To make a $7000 purchase, there would have to be a lot more benefit. Of course, once I'm rich, then why not.

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#195745 - 02/10/08 08:16 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: CV]
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I think the new Denons make popcorn. Definitely worth it.
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#195752 - 02/10/08 09:15 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: St_PatGuy]
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How about the top of the line Integra pre + Axiom amp vs. the new Denon 5308? I think the separates win out on value (though you do have to buy more cables, takes up more space, might need outlet upgrade and/or add'l power conditioning/surge protection unit, etc). What surprises me is that the 5308 does not offer more of a jump in power over the next two lower model Denon receivers. If one can do w/o all the fancy features, seems the raw, clean power champ of receivers would be the new NAD T785. It's "FTC equivalent" power rating is 190/channel (the wattage you'd typically use to compare w/ Denon/Pioneer Elite/Yamaha and so on). The video and audio boards are modular and upgradeable, so it would likely be able to catch up on the latest lossless formats. Right this moment, however, seems you'd be hard pressed to beat what the T785 promises for sound quality of all that it can process. Street price is $2,400 (retail $3,000). I guess I'm more than intrigued. I have not listened to it, but I plan to soon.

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#195921 - 02/11/08 04:54 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: bluray]
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I don't know about the Nad winning on Value, the Denon 3808 at just over a grand seems like the better choice, IMO, as the extra 60WPC in the NAD is only good for about 1-2 db more and the 3808 already has all the latest formats.
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#195941 - 02/11/08 07:50 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: jakewash]
bluray Offline
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Good point. To me, the 3808 is also great because it can change duty in a few years to being a darn good pre.

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#195943 - 02/11/08 07:54 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: bluray]
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I def like the 3808. I wish it had the realta chip that the 5308 has though
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#195975 - 02/11/08 09:58 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: bluray]
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Blu, the slight difference in power rating for that NAD unit would make little or no difference(with no strongly in the lead)in most applications. From the bang for the buck standpoint, units such as the Denon 3808 and 2808 or the Onkyo 875 and 705 would seem to have a significant edge.
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#196016 - 02/11/08 11:50 PM Re: new denon flagship models [Re: JohnK]
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I don't know John. I have loved my AVR 1082 (same as 3802) and there's still nothing wrong with it. I got it when it was a current product--can't remember how long I've had it (4 years?). I previously had a Pioneer Elite receiver, and the Denon has much better sound quality not to mention has been more reliable (zero issues w/ Denon, while channels went out on Elite). Certainly the 3800 series has continued to improve, but as I'm looking to get a new receiver to go along with a complete change out of speakers (have M80s, 150, M22s, and 600 sub on order), I would anticipate that the NAD T785 is most definitely a step up in power and sound quality vs. what I have and even vs. the current 3800 series offering. Though at what I know is $2,400 (retail is $3K) from very good local audio store for the NAD vs. what I assume will be around $1,200? for the Denon, I'll concede that the Denon is a better value. And I have not listened to either. I'd be shocked if the power difference is not a significant adavantage in favor of the NAD; one nice step up from the T775 to T785 is the inclusion of twin Holmgren torroidal power units. As for dynamic, accurate, rich sound at both low and high volumes, I can't imagine the NAD doesn't have the edge! Look, I am a huge fan of Denon sound. Denons are certainly more reliable than NAD products, and Denon has the technology edge right out of the box on audio formats. I even feel guilty given that my 1082 works perfectly. Still, the T785 has got to be (and ought to be given it sells for the full $3K retail from Audio Advisor for instance) a step up from what I have and vs. the 3808.

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