Get Free, Friendly, Expert Advice
Call 1-866-244-8796 or email

Designed and Manufactured in Canada Since 1980


AxiomAudio Blog

Axiom’s Newest Speaker: The In-Ceiling M3

Outdoor Speaker Placement

Speaker Placement: Unusual Room Layouts and Elevating Speakers

Wall'O'Fame
Experimental Atmos
Greetings fellow Axiom owners...
Who's Online
1 registered (J. B.), 93 Guests and 5 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Financing
Forum Stats
13317 Members
11 Forums
22875 Topics
404261 Posts

Max Online: 378 @ 02/24/13 04:33 PM
Top Posters
Ken.C 17768
pmbuko 16273
SirQuack 13333
CV 11195
MarkSJohnson 10878
Meanwhile On Facebook

Love this comment from Doug T! "The M22 bookshelf speakers sound so clean and a...

󾓶 Andrew has spoken! Big update on the AxiomPlay Wireless Platform on the Axiom...

A New Look For Our Amps and Pre-amps? Adding yet another level of customization...

Hurry - sale ends Sunday!

Page 5 of 9 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 >
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#229485 - 11/11/08 03:58 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: framer2180]
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16273
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Thanks for all the participants for your impressions on the crossovers.

 Originally Posted By: framer2180
As Jason mentioned the alarm clocks on Pink Floyd seemed to be mounted on the walls all around us.

To be fair, I get the same effect with my stock M22v2s. Pink Floyd uses mixing techniques that can really throw a stereo image around the room. I have a few CDs with tracks that create a soundstage larger than my listening space.
_________________________
"I wish I had documented more…" said nobody on their death bed, ever.

Top
#229487 - 11/11/08 04:05 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: Ken.C]
danmagicman7 Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 12/16/05
Posts: 1467
 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
And I wonder if his claim (note, I use the term not in a negative way) based exclusively on components or if it's actually a different crossover point.




Looks like a matter of both.

If you look at the graphs, the "blue" is the tweeter. Red and Green get swapped from graph to graph.

Anyways, it looks like the crossover point is at a lower freq and also the tweeter output was increased, explaining some "simblance"


Edited by danmagicman7 (11/11/08 04:08 PM)
_________________________

M22s|VP100|QS4s|HSU STF2

Top
#229489 - 11/11/08 04:14 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: danmagicman7]
BlueJays1 Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 09/19/08
Posts: 4078
Loc: Porch,enjoying Bombay Sapphire
Are there any research papers from scholarly sources that look strictly at the differences in the quality of components in crossovers (using the same crossover point). And if so is there any measurable differences.
_________________________
I’m armed and I’m drinking. You don’t want to listen to advice from me, amigo.

-Max Payne

Top
#229493 - 11/11/08 04:34 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: BlueJays1]
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16273
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
Measurable by electronic equipment is one thing. Whether or not the differences fall within the threshold of human hearing is what matters.
_________________________
"I wish I had documented more…" said nobody on their death bed, ever.

Top
#229494 - 11/11/08 04:36 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: pmbuko]
Ken.C Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 05/03/03
Posts: 17768
Loc: NoVA
Oh, I meant between his two crossovers.
_________________________
I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Top
#229502 - 11/11/08 05:24 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: Ken.C]
myrison Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
Personal opinion, I think Sean (aka "the Ninja") needs to simplify his marketing message a bit. That many different versions of upgrades for the same speaker just seems over the top and more confusing for would-be buyers, especially considering that most people are very happy with their M22s to start with.

It's hard enough for me to imagine that there is a way to markedly improve the sound the designers intended, but even if reviews like the ones above convinced me that it was in fact possible, I start to really scratch my head when I consider that the crossover designers propose x different ways to improve on the M22.

My unsolicited advice, decide on the best combination of price and performance for the stock speaker "upgrade" and put it up for sale. Once you've convinced someone to upgrade, don't make the final process even more confusing by forcing them to choose among a handful of options...

Jason
_________________________
Epic 80-800: HG Cherry | HT Pics

Top
#229596 - 11/12/08 08:27 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: pmbuko]
jakewash Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10398
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
 Originally Posted By: pmbuko

To be fair, I get the same effect with my stock M22v2s. Pink Floyd uses mixing techniques that can really throw a stereo image around the room.
I agree the stock M22s give a reasonable effect, but it is not nearly to the same degree nor have the same feel to it, as it does with the Ninja Crossovers.
_________________________
Jason
-----------------
TTTHHHPPPPPTTTT!

My HT

Top
#229598 - 11/12/08 09:45 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: jakewash]
pmbuko Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 04/02/03
Posts: 16273
Loc: Leesburg, Virginia
 Quote:
I agree the stock M22s give a reasonable effect, but it is not nearly to the same degree nor have the same feel to it, as it does with the Ninja Crossovers.


I'll admit I'm highly skeptical of the degree to which this effect can be improved beyond what I've heard. I'd have to hear these crossovers myself to believe your description -- not that I doubt you heard what you're saying.
_________________________
"I wish I had documented more…" said nobody on their death bed, ever.

Top
#229607 - 11/12/08 11:08 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: pmbuko]
jakewash Offline
shareholder in the making

Registered: 12/26/03
Posts: 10398
Loc: Calgary, Alberta
Nothing wrong with being skeptical. The M22 stock version really do an outstanding job in their own rite.
_________________________
Jason
-----------------
TTTHHHPPPPPTTTT!

My HT

Top
#229609 - 11/12/08 11:09 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: jakewash]
EFalardeau Offline
connoisseur

Registered: 08/27/07
Posts: 3270
Loc: Laval, Quebec, Canada
 Originally Posted By: jakewash
The M22 stock version really do an outstanding job in their own rite.

Don't get religious on us! ;\)
_________________________
E = MC2 = ((2M80 + VP180 + 4QS8)/(EP800 + EP500))^(ADA1500 x D2v)
Audiobytes! 2M22! 2VP150!

Top
Page 5 of 9 < 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 >



Moderator:  alan, Amie, Andrew, axiomadmin, Brent, Debbie, Ian, Jc 

Home  |  Corporate Info  |  Products  |  Message Board  |  FAQs  |  Warranty  |  Site Map  |  Privacy Statement   |  Contact Us

©2014 Colquhoun Audio Laboratories Limited
All Rights Reserved.