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#229485 - 11/11/08 03:58 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: framer2180]
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Thanks for all the participants for your impressions on the crossovers.

 Originally Posted By: framer2180
As Jason mentioned the alarm clocks on Pink Floyd seemed to be mounted on the walls all around us.

To be fair, I get the same effect with my stock M22v2s. Pink Floyd uses mixing techniques that can really throw a stereo image around the room. I have a few CDs with tracks that create a soundstage larger than my listening space.
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#229487 - 11/11/08 04:05 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: Ken.C]
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 Originally Posted By: kcarlile
And I wonder if his claim (note, I use the term not in a negative way) based exclusively on components or if it's actually a different crossover point.




Looks like a matter of both.

If you look at the graphs, the "blue" is the tweeter. Red and Green get swapped from graph to graph.

Anyways, it looks like the crossover point is at a lower freq and also the tweeter output was increased, explaining some "simblance"


Edited by danmagicman7 (11/11/08 04:08 PM)
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#229489 - 11/11/08 04:14 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: danmagicman7]
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Are there any research papers from scholarly sources that look strictly at the differences in the quality of components in crossovers (using the same crossover point). And if so is there any measurable differences.
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#229493 - 11/11/08 04:34 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: BlueJays1]
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Measurable by electronic equipment is one thing. Whether or not the differences fall within the threshold of human hearing is what matters.
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#229494 - 11/11/08 04:36 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: pmbuko]
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Oh, I meant between his two crossovers.
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#229502 - 11/11/08 05:24 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: Ken.C]
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Personal opinion, I think Sean (aka "the Ninja") needs to simplify his marketing message a bit. That many different versions of upgrades for the same speaker just seems over the top and more confusing for would-be buyers, especially considering that most people are very happy with their M22s to start with.

It's hard enough for me to imagine that there is a way to markedly improve the sound the designers intended, but even if reviews like the ones above convinced me that it was in fact possible, I start to really scratch my head when I consider that the crossover designers propose x different ways to improve on the M22.

My unsolicited advice, decide on the best combination of price and performance for the stock speaker "upgrade" and put it up for sale. Once you've convinced someone to upgrade, don't make the final process even more confusing by forcing them to choose among a handful of options...

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#229596 - 11/12/08 08:27 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: pmbuko]
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 Originally Posted By: pmbuko

To be fair, I get the same effect with my stock M22v2s. Pink Floyd uses mixing techniques that can really throw a stereo image around the room.
I agree the stock M22s give a reasonable effect, but it is not nearly to the same degree nor have the same feel to it, as it does with the Ninja Crossovers.
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#229598 - 11/12/08 09:45 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: jakewash]
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I agree the stock M22s give a reasonable effect, but it is not nearly to the same degree nor have the same feel to it, as it does with the Ninja Crossovers.


I'll admit I'm highly skeptical of the degree to which this effect can be improved beyond what I've heard. I'd have to hear these crossovers myself to believe your description -- not that I doubt you heard what you're saying.
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#229607 - 11/12/08 11:08 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: pmbuko]
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Nothing wrong with being skeptical. The M22 stock version really do an outstanding job in their own rite.
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#229609 - 11/12/08 11:09 PM Re: M22 Ninja Master Crossover review. [Re: jakewash]
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 Originally Posted By: jakewash
The M22 stock version really do an outstanding job in their own rite.

Don't get religious on us! ;\)
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