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#237379 - 12/30/08 07:35 PM Axiom Subs
BoB/335 Offline
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Registered: 12/26/08
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I haven't really seen much on the other forums (or here for that matter) on Axiom subs. How do they stand up in performance and value with the others that seem so popular.

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#237382 - 12/30/08 08:06 PM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: BoB/335]
Adrian Offline
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Registered: 12/27/08
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Hey Bob! how's the speaker research going?! re. subs...from what I've read, Axiom subs are very highly rated, powerful, clean, and reach very deep. There are alot of good subs out there, and I think this is one area I may opt to go with another brand, simply due to budget concerns. I can get a Paradigm DSP 3400 for about $560.00 Cdn, not sure how it compares directly to, say the EP500, having not heard the Axiom yet, but there are some nice subs out there well under $1G. HSU, SVS, Pdigm, ect
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#237385 - 12/30/08 08:42 PM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: Adrian]
BoB/335 Offline
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I'm considering this sub

http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-10nsd.cfm

Subs seem to get awfully big to have in a living room. (yep, no home theatre room for me) The Axioms sure look nice but a bit of change for me. Plus if I have to go big I have a pair of JBL PA subs that I power with 1100 watts each.

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#237386 - 12/30/08 08:54 PM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: BoB/335]
jakewash Offline
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I had the PB12-nsd and found its frequency bump around 50-60hz over emphasized things too much for my tastes and I upgraded to the PB13-Ultra which is has a nice flat FR like most DSP subs. My wife wants to use it as an end table(no HT room for me either) as it is too big for her tastes but I like it too much to get rid of it, at least for now. ;\)

I can second the thought of the Paradigm DSP subs. I compared the little 3100 to the EP350v2 and v3 and the little 10" sub was much better than the old EP350v2 but couldn't move enough air to compete with the 12" driver on the EP30v3, although the 3100 was still reasonable for HT it was great for music. I would suspect the 3400 would be in the same output range as the EP350 or even the EP500 which is quite an astounding performer from such a small box, well as far as sub boxes go anyway.
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#237396 - 12/30/08 09:48 PM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: BoB/335]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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 Originally Posted By: BoB/335
Plus if I have to go big I have a pair of JBL PA subs that I power with 1100 watts each.


Keep in mind that most PA subs are designed to pump large volumes at music frequencies only....NOT the really deep LFE frequencies that are embedded in movie soundtracks. You're likely to find that those JBLs would actually LOSE much impact when playing a soundtrack. If they can pump out 120dB of 35Hz bass in a big room, but can't reach lower, they're not going to do you any good unless the rest of your system is ALSO playing at 120dB.

I'll take a sub that goes down to 20Hz at 115dB anytime for impact from soundtracks!
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#237403 - 12/30/08 09:54 PM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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It was a bit of a joke. My wife would kill me if I brought those in the house.

(Mine are no longer made but these are the ones that replaced it.)

http://www.jblpro.com/catalog/support/getfile.aspx?docid=599&doctype=3

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#237423 - 12/31/08 03:24 AM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: BoB/335]
fredk Offline
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Registered: 12/06/07
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Subs is a tough topic. There is a lot of competition in this arena, but there are tradeoffs.

I am thrilled with my EP350 for music the sub integrates with the mains seemlessly. I get good room gain down to around 21-22Hz, but thats where it stops. Now, there are a number of subs out there in that price range that will go deeper and have more impact for movies, but the tradeoff is clean bass for movies.

Now, the 350 is still quite good for movies, but it dosn't reach quite low enough.

You need to move up to something like the PB13 ultra EP500/600 to get both. For that money, I will probably build my own
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#237435 - 12/31/08 10:15 AM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: fredk]
Ken.C Offline
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Seriously, Fred? I've had no complaints about my EP350 when I wa... oh wait, I don't watch movies much. ;\)
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#237438 - 12/31/08 10:20 AM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: Ken.C]
SirQuack Offline
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I've very impressed with my twin 350's for music and movies, they go very low, the 600 is also nice. \:\)
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#237452 - 12/31/08 11:52 AM Re: Axiom Subs [Re: SirQuack]
myrison Offline
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Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 1898
Loc: Austin, TX
Any of the subs mentioned above would be great performers in 98% of situations. I've auditioned both the EP600 and the SVS PB13-Ultra. The SVS goes a little deeper and a little louder than the 600, but lacks the DSP that the 600 has so there is a slight tradeoff between both speakers. I've also heard the EP500 and found it to be a highly capable performer, but with just slightly less ultra-low bass capability.

After doing extensive A/B testing with the EP600 and SVS, I started to appreciate more just what differences you hear between two quality subs whose specs are just slightly different (assuming they are both made by manufacturer's whose specs you can trust). The difference of 2-3 Hz extension at roughly the same volumes (i.e. the difference between playing flat down to 23 Hz or to 20 Hz) is extremely subtle, but for those who really live for the last few decibels of really low bass, it is a difference that can be worth a lot of extra money.

So... since my point probably still isn't clear after that long ramble, if you're looking for the best bang for your buck, the EP350 is probably the place to start (or any other competing subs in that price range, and there are a lot of good performers out there). Beyond that, the additional extension and volume you'll get from the more expensive subs (EP500,600,800) start to have slightly diminishing returns in terms of cost versus clearly noticeable differences.

HOWEVER, \:\)

if you're not looking for the best bang for the buck (i.e. you're looking for the ultimate performance and are willing to pay considerably more for that last ounce of rumbling bass), or you have an extremely large open room to fill with bass, then going up the Axiom product line will make you very happy. While I used to think I fell into the "most bang for the buck" camp, I'm finding that I am in an endless pursuit for the best thing out there (at least in the ~$2k range), which led to my pre-order of the EP800. The measurements on that beast are absolutely unbelievable and I cannot wait to see how it compares to my in-depth experience with the PB13-Ultra and the EP600 I have already. Playing down flat to 13 Hz with a sealed sub is something I'm really looking forward to.

Let us know if you have more questions as you get further along in the purchase/review process. Lots of folks around here have tried various other subs and should be able to give good first-hand information.

Jason
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