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#244877 - 02/04/09 02:06 PM Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ.
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Ö.which would mean I no longer need the one Iím using.

Iím not technically selling anything, although one could argue that I am and Iím breaking the rules by posting this. I usually just buy new stuff and then peddle it later, but Iím not real sure at this point if upgrading to a new lens will have much pay back for me from an improved image quality perspective. At this point, Iím just pondering the decision. Iíve seen many posts over the years on this board from folks who want to go with a constant image height set up, but canít afford to dump several grand on a lens. If I do buy a new lens, folks who have been sitting on the fence could get one at a considerably lower cost, and they donít have to worry about getting ripped off either. Iíd rather provide that opportunity to this community than one of the on-line bulletin boards or worse, EBay.

SoÖif anyone is interested, shoot me a PM. I suspect the interest will be very low, but figured Iíd risk the wrath of the forum sheriffs, incarceration and ask anyway.

The lens Iím using now is a Prismasonic 1400M (manual) with the Front Element Upgrade. Itís basically the FE1500 which they discontinued a year ago when they introduced the HD5000.

The lens Iím looking at is an Isco III.
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#244880 - 02/04/09 02:17 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: michael_d]
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What about just getting the new Panny 1080 with the built in stretch feature and not use an anamorphic anymore? I know it really is not the same thing like when I use my 600M Prismasonic, but it would be less hasle.
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#244926 - 02/04/09 07:01 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: SirQuack]
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Well itís all about that never ending quest to get the best image up on the wall as possible (within my $$$ means anyway). Just like some folks who insist on buying two EP800ís and investing money and a lot of time into room treatmentsÖÖ I am very happy with how my system sounds, but always looking to improve the image. If I could swing it, I'd have a three chip DLP unit. But at about 25K, that's not possible, and even it was, I still would have trouble spending that kind of money on a projector.

I am using a JVC RS-20 and a DVDO VP50pro video processor and a Stewart 2.35 screen. The weak link in the chain now is the lens. While the 1400/FE is very good, the Isco III will leave no room for doubt.
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#244933 - 02/04/09 08:16 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: michael_d]
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you have definately become our video screen expert. \:\)
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#244936 - 02/04/09 08:28 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: SirQuack]
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So, Mike, you have transcended even that nice Panasonic projector that you bought? In what way is the JVC more satisfying? My interest is, unfortunately, purely academic at this point. But I like to learn.
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#244959 - 02/04/09 10:47 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: tomtuttle]
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If I had a wider screen (and a job) I'd be interested... But, I don't (have either).... Dang it!
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#245025 - 02/05/09 11:22 AM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: tomtuttle]
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Randy,

I'm hardly an expert on much of anything..... I seam to recall you were the one who educated me on projectors, screens and CIH set ups. I just haven't stop spending money.

 Originally Posted By: tomtuttle
So, Mike, you have transcended even that nice Panasonic projector that you bought? In what way is the JVC more satisfying? My interest is, unfortunately, purely academic at this point. But I like to learn.


The major difference between the Panasonic PT1000 (and all other digital projectors for that matter) and the JVC projectors is native contrast ratio. JVC is the benchmark projector that you will see referenced in reviews when the reviewer starts talking about blacks. Many other projectors will list a CR spec, and it will be as high as the JVCís, but they fail to note that they achieve that spec with the aid of a dynamic iris. When using a DI, brightness and ANSI CR suffers because the light path is getting pinched. The PT1000 I had, after I calibrated it, had a native CR of 1200/1 and an ANSI CR of 110/1. The JVC RS-20, after calibration, is at 36,000/1 native CR and 260 ANSI CR. What all that means, without writing a book, is that I can now see things in shadows that were nothing but dark grey mush before. Instead of seeing a black coat on the Joker in DK, I now can see the lapels of the jacket. Blacks are now black and not dark grey. I can see bright stars surrounded by black space. The difference between the two is dramatic. The JVC also has a much better lens, which means a much sharper image. There is a misunderstanding by most that if a display is 1080P, then it should be very sharp. This is not true. You do have increased lines of resolution, but they are being shot through a lens. If the lens is of so-so quality, then the image you see will be affected by that. This is why the better anamorphic lenses are so expensive; they are generally of better quality than the projector. Any photographer who has used a kit lens, then a pro-series lens can relate to this. Thereís no comparison when you start look at the shots closely. There are other things that the JVC does better than the PT1000 I was using, but one that I appreciate greatly, is noise. The JVC is practically silent. When in Normal lamp mode, I can not hear it. When in High lamp mode, itís still very quiet. My DVRís hard drive is louder than the projector. The JVC is also considerably brighter than the PT1000; more than twice as bright. This makes the image look much more punchy, gives it more depth and pop. The Panasonic projectors are great units. Iím not bashing them. They just arenít in the same league as the RS20. But, if I had not seen the JVC in action, Iíd be perfectly content with the Panasonic and I would never have known what I was missing. Now Iím screwed. I will always be wanting something better.
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#245031 - 02/05/09 11:45 AM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: michael_d]
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#245050 - 02/05/09 12:55 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Mike your the king man. \:\) Yeah I remember giving some advice about constant height setups, I still enjoy mine... I'm glad you've researched this stuff like you have...so much to understand... \:\)
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#245059 - 02/05/09 01:29 PM Re: Thinking about buying a new anamorphic lensÖ. [Re: SirQuack]
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That is a great explanation, Mike! Thank you very much for taking the time to educate me.
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