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#251946 - 03/16/09 03:27 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: PeterChenoweth]
Zimm Offline
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
Let us know what you think. I'm very interest to hear if the Reon chip can better the PS3 on BluRay or DVD. In theory it can't improve the BluRay if you output 1080p as that is the native resolution. But who knows. This probably seems obvious, but when testing DVD from an upscaling unit, you probably need to defeat all treatment by the player. Otherwise the Reon chip will be working with adulterated content, not the original sources. Both in a line might help, ????, but for comparison I think you want to know if the Reon chip is better than the Denon 1920 or PS3 alone.

Enjoy.
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#251953 - 03/16/09 03:42 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 02/06/09
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Loc: Western Maryland, USA
I don't know about the Reon chip, but to expand upon some of your thoughts...

The 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 chroma upscaling in the Oppo BDP-83 seems to be able to retrieve more color resolution from Blu-ray discs than any other sub-$2k player. It uses an Anchor Bay scaler. So it is possible to improve upon even Blu-rays.

Also, finding a DVD player which output 480i over HDMI is a bit difficult. Using 480p as an input into a scaler does have drawbacks, if it was de-interlaced poorly in the player (e.g. not taking into account film and handling everything as video--which is what the PS3 does). Again, Anchor Bay has a PReP - Progressive ReProcessing technology which re-interlaces progressive video to redo the job correctly.
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#251956 - 03/16/09 03:50 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: ClubNeon]
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
Well, I'll be using my Denon 1920 as an output source, and its HDMI connection doesn't seem to work at all. It's never worked for me, not with my HDTV, and not with this SC-05. Not sure if it's broken or just incompatible. I'm using the component video outputs @ 480p.

The SC-05 upscales that to 1080p/HDMI with its Faroudja upscaler. While my HDTV does register that it is indeed receiving a 1080P/60hz signal, I can tell no difference between it and the 'native' 480p signal.

I think I just need to trash it and upgrade to an Oppo. ;\)
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#251957 - 03/16/09 03:55 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: ClubNeon]
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
I don't know about the Reon chip, but to expand upon some of your thoughts...

The 4:2:0 to 4:4:4 chroma upscaling in the Oppo BDP-83 seems to be able to retrieve more color resolution from Blu-ray discs than any other sub-$2k player. It uses an Anchor Bay scaler. So it is possible to improve upon even Blu-rays.

Also, finding a DVD player which output 480i over HDMI is a bit difficult. Using 480p as an input into a scaler does have drawbacks, if it was de-interlaced poorly in the player (e.g. not taking into account film and handling everything as video--which is what the PS3 does). Again, Anchor Bay has a PReP - Progressive ReProcessing technology which re-interlaces progressive video to redo the job correctly.


Interesting. While I am quick to laud the PS3 with praise, I guess I'm not surprised that after a few years players would be passing it up. Has there been any review of the Oppo yet? Never mind - I AM NOT IN THE MARKET, I WANT NO NEW INFO ON BR PLAYERS.
I must go now, I am feeling the urge to research blu ray players.
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#251960 - 03/16/09 03:58 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: Zimm]
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
Whatever you do, don't look into the BDP-83. ;\) It's not out yet, but it promises to be quite extraordinary. And Oppo's reputation is, from everything I've ever read, pretty much flawless.

For anyone who would like an all-in-one SACD, DVD-A, DVD, and BluRay player, it may be The One.
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#251963 - 03/16/09 04:05 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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Registered: 02/06/09
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Loc: Western Maryland, USA
I've not tried the Faroudja DCDi in my Pioneer receiver (since the Elites don't scale HDMI, the lowly standard models definitely don't). But I have an older Pioneer Elite DV-79AVi flagship DVD player, and a PDP-5020 Kuro plasma, along with my PS3. While the PS3 is rated good at enhancing detail while scaling DVDs, it isn't as good some of the newer scaler chips.

Of the scalers I own and have been able to test I rate them in this order:

PS3: Very good, but doesn't do film cadence detection and scales the 240 lines of each field of 480i directly to 1080p/60.

DV-79AVi: Softer looking than the PS3, but still does a pretty good job, maxes out at 1080i, but the Kuro de-interlaces this and will go into 24 Hz mode on film content.

PDP-5020: Fed a base 480i signal from the DV-79AVi or 480p from the PS3, it produces a very soft looking image. I'm surprised it is this poor. Goes to show that even one of the best TVs in the world still needs a quality scaler before it.

GefenTV 1080P HDMI Scaler: Horrible, horrible, horrible. Stay far away. Not only does it produce a poor picture, it even screws with the colors and white/black levels.
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#251965 - 03/16/09 04:08 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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Registered: 09/27/04
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Loc: Central NH
 Originally Posted By: PeterChenoweth
it may be The One.


uuuuuhhhhh..... the one............THE ONE.............


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#251966 - 03/16/09 04:09 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
I was thinking more along the lines of...



With the bullets being various other DVD,SACD, BR, etc players.

;\)
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#251967 - 03/16/09 04:10 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: ClubNeon]
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Registered: 10/23/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, IL
 Originally Posted By: ClubNeon
...and a PDP-5020 Kuro plasma


...droool _nice_ TV! \:\)
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#251968 - 03/16/09 04:11 PM Re: SC-05, in the house. [Re: PeterChenoweth]
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Registered: 12/08/08
Posts: 1361
Loc: New Orleans
 Originally Posted By: PeterChenoweth
Whatever you do, don't look into the BDP-83. ;\) It's not out yet, but it promises to be quite extraordinary. And Oppo's reputation is, from everything I've ever read, pretty much flawless.

For anyone who would like an all-in-one SACD, DVD-A, DVD, and BluRay player, it may be The One.


GREEAAATTT. Yeah, I'm sure I won't look at THE ONE!

I gotta get off the fourm.
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