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#257666 - 04/21/09 03:16 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: pmbuko]
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Did anyone follow the link Johnk put up the other day to a discussion on denon receivers? It was a forum populated by Dennon dealers/integrators.

One of the dealers posted that he had a lot of issues with the 3 digit series Dennons recently. He had expressed concern that it was an issue with receivers manufactured outside of Japan.

Actually, the thread is a very interesting read, whether or not you accept what this particular dealer posted. It seems the CI line has a series of features available only to dealer/integrators.

I'm not trying to sling mud here, I just thought that particular post might be relevant.
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#257672 - 04/21/09 04:08 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: pmbuko]
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#257675 - 04/21/09 04:21 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: Adrian]
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See, I clicked on that link, but I saw the title before it loaded and closed the tab. Fool me once...
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#257679 - 04/21/09 04:42 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: Ken.C]
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you're an internet lightweight.
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#257684 - 04/21/09 05:10 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: casey01]
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 Originally Posted By: casey01
From my experience, in this case, Denon, more than likely pulled the plug on them, not the other way around. The large mainstream companies want the retailer to have plenty of shelf space and sell a certain minimum amount to maintain a competitive wholesale discount level. This retailer probably did neither. When it comes to where I might buy, my rule of thumb has always been and always will be, if you walk in to a retailer and the sales person starts knocking equipment they don't sell, turn around and walk out.


It is a small shop that specializes in Custom installations - it just happens to be the only game in town other than BB. He did say that Business has been very bad with the economy in the state it has been in. Of course he was checking out my "system" with an eye towards additional sales beyond the Paradigms. Any time a salesman speaks down about a product that they don't carry, my radar goes off.......
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#257695 - 04/21/09 09:12 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: Zimm]
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 Originally Posted By: Zimm
You people are killing me. Just when FredK and JohnK and their troops convince me there is very little to be gained by adding an amp, you flying monkeys come out singing your hypnotic notes from the wicked witch about the clear improvements in almost all respects from upgrading.

I assume there is no chance Alan would step in with some double-blind test results of the A-1400(s) on M60s and M80s to "prove" the upgrade is more than just a placebo. Right Alan, no chance of that...no reason to be waiting around for a new article...right?

Zimm, i've done some in-home true A/B blind testing with a few solid state amps and a switcher. It was some time ago but the bottom line was sound quality did not change. If there was some kind of a differnce it was usually related to things like a ground loop hum with one unit, and not another, or with power output and higher SPL levels. The switcher was made by an electronics guru friend of a friend who was also once a believer that all amps sound distinctly different, until the two fellows relented to the idea of trying a blind A/B test and now both of them are re-evaluating 20 years of former beliefs, albeit rather slowly.

I do have an Anthem amp hooked up with a Cambridge Audio receiver to power a pair of Tannoy Definition speakers for our main floor. On occasion i do like to turn up the volume (and on occasion a tv channel has a low volume) and i quite easily reach the point where i hit distortion somewhere about the 102dB mark (at around 10 feet). The room is larger than our basement media room, but at the same linear distance my Axioms and an Onkyo receiver can hit 104-106dB before distortion is audible. To eek out those few more decibels, i need something more robust.
I have had those Tannoys hooked up to a beefier amp in the past (a Coda) and at the elevated SPL, it does make a difference but in regards to distortion. The Anthem amp just runs out of juice. I will be looking for a small Class A/AB amp in the future with more capacitance and i do have my eye on the new Axiom 2 channel offering.
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#257918 - 04/23/09 12:52 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: chesseroo]
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Registered: 12/08/08
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Thanks, that was a refreshing view. I've come to think (for now!) that the issue is volume and dynamic range. I think much of the real difference between a "cheap" AVR and a good AVR or separate amp has to do with the lack of instantaneous power to cleanly reproduce peaks - all the more so with 5 and 7 channel systems. Add to that a loud listening level and problem becomes more serious. Based on Alan stat of 16db peaks, and reports showing all channel driven power can be 1/3 the FTC power I see the distinction.

Still not sure of what to make of the live/pro amps, put out over 500wpc into 8 ohms for under $800. Even Emotiva (or Jake's Amp Shack for that matter) don't claim such lofty numbers.
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#257923 - 04/23/09 01:06 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: Zimm]
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Those live/pro amps have more THD with their specs, still under 1%, so I think you can believe the ratings.
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#257930 - 04/23/09 01:26 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: jakewash]
fredk Offline
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The pro amps also have fans, which can by noisy unless you are willing to open the case and replace them with something quiteter. The Behringer EP2500 is a steal even in the pro-amp catagory.

There is also the purdy factor. Not everyone goes for the industrial look.

To me its like driving an econobox vs a (insert your favourite stylish vehicle here). They both do their job of transporting you just fine.
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#257946 - 04/23/09 03:29 PM Re: Recommended stereo receiver for M60's. [Re: fredk]
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I think it might be more like a new Mercedes SLK vs an old muscle car both get you there quick one does it quietly and in style.

Although from the reports I have seen, many of the fans in the pro amps are heat activated so they are not on all the time and the ones that are on all the time, the owners state the fans are less noisy than their favorite gaming console fan.
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