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#265455 - 07/05/09 08:08 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: cgrface]
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I'm using a Denon 4806.
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#265472 - 07/05/09 10:23 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: HomeDad]
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Way cool, that's what I have. I have been watching the development of the BDP83 for quite a while and is on my short list of upgrades. I bought the 4806 when it just hit the streets, and continue to be totally satisfied with it's performance. I'm glad that it works well with the newest Oppo, truely a future proof piece of equipment, at least for now...
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#265858 - 07/10/09 08:02 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: cgrface]
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My Receiver is quite ancient now (Yamaha RX-V995). Am I going to miss much by using the 5.1 analog inputs on the receiver? Does it matter that I don't have 7.1?

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#265889 - 07/11/09 09:03 AM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: Shady]
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Others have compared analog vs. HDMI, and haven't found any difference whatsoever. As far as being limited to 5.1, I don't feel it's that big of a deal, as the amount of material actually available in 7.1 is extremely limited.
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#265910 - 07/11/09 04:28 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: Da_Gimp_Pimp]
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You know, I just shocked myself a few days back. For years I've owned a Sony DVD/Super Audio player, and I've always had it hooked up through the digital optical audio connect. Well with all I've learned through this site I was looking and the player has 5.1 channel analog outs... holy shit, I've been missing out all these years!!!

So I walked, no I ran down to RadioShack and grabbed myself 3 sets of RCA cords. Got home, hooked them up to the 5.1 channel extention in inputs on the back of the Denon, and sat back to enjoy the music the way it was meant to be heard... I was truely disappointed! In a direct comparison the digital optical audio connection was a million times better. Switching back and forth was absolutely no contest. The 5.1 analog connection volume was lower, it lacked bass, and the sound field was extremely narrow. Switch it back to the digital optical connect (a simple switch of a button on the Denon, the digital optical connect is hooked up to the DVD connection, and the 5.1 anolog connects are connected to EXT. IN) and the music comes to life. The sound field is huge, it engulfs my entire livingroom, the bass pounds, and it's loud as hell.

I'm not sure if this is a Sony issue? Like if the analog outs just aren't of very good quality, or if it's because I'm not listening to actual Super Audio CD's? Maybe an actual SACD would sound better through the analog outs than the digital optical connect? I don't know, but I did learn that in my player at least, digital is the way to go.
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#265912 - 07/11/09 04:43 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: Micah]
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I have discussed this before on here Micah and what are noticing is the difference between the calibration and bass management of your Denon (digtal) vs you SACD player/Blu-ray using multi-channel analog. You have probably calibrated the Denon and that is what the digital signal uses, but I bet you have not gone through setting up your speakers and sub (gain, distance, delay) in the menu of your SACD player and this is where the processing will occur in this case using analog. Have you boosted the SW signal though the Ext. In? There is a separate setting for this in your Denon for the purpose of multi-channel analog. I would recommend setting it to Ext.In +10 or Ext.In +15. This is probably the main reason you are lacking bass.






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#265915 - 07/11/09 05:09 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: BlueJays1]
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Yup, you have to calibrate the SACD player--unless your receiver can do bass management on the analog inputs and you choose to use that. Mine can, and I do. Others can't, and still others believe that converting the signal back to digital to do the bass management, then back to analog to output to speakers is evil and wrong.
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#265918 - 07/11/09 06:26 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: Ken.C]
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Also, there's really nothing to be gained by using the analog outs of your player for anything BUT SACDs.... but... with SACDS, the analog outs on the player are the ONLY way you'll get the signal to the receiver.
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#265920 - 07/11/09 07:07 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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Registered: 11/16/08
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Ok. I guess I thought that some how the analog outs were magically going to make my music sound 10 times better. I don't know why. I went through and calibrated the Sony, then I tried it out with a movie... the difference between the analog outs and the digital optical connect was a lot less. The analog still sounds a bit narrower, but I think that may be the reciever spreading the signal out a bit more than was originally intended. I use DTS 6.1 when I'm playing movies. So I guess I just realized that I prefer that over the original playback mode. Who knew.

I still can't wait to get a new reciever and experience the lossless tracks though. On the music side, I've been listening to just about everything in 5/7 channel out of the Denon, and I love it. It fills the entire livingroom with music. I've noticed that when I put it on stereo there seems to be a bit more bass, but honestly, there is enough bass in the 5/7 channel mode to satisfy me, and the entire experience it much more pleasing to my ears. To each his own I suppose.
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#265933 - 07/11/09 10:19 PM Re: Oppo BDP-83 on the way. [Re: Micah]
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Micah, God gave us analog ear drums, so that's the way sound comes out of the speakers, but the preceding connections and processing can be digital at least as well. As Ken and Doc Horse pointed out, things have to be calibrated equally for the result to sound the same. In particular the volume has to be exactly the same(within .1dB)so that things aren't different mostly because of loudness(as appears to be the case in your example). This is also the main factor in mysterious claims for amplifiers about things that they don't control(e.g., "sound-stage").
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