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#270213 - 08/23/09 12:22 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: Joebob]
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#270215 - 08/23/09 12:30 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: Joebob]
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Registered: 08/07/09
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Hey, Solidstate, isn't this your post from 11-25-07 on this forum? It is somewhat verbose, I hope you don't mind my quoting it. Oh, and I made bold the interesting parts so you won't miss 'em.

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"Greetings,

I was curious if others can post experience with the Belden 13xxA series speaker cable. The various versions of the cable are as follows:

1313A 10AWG 259x34 OFHC speaker cable
1311A 12AWD 168x34 OFHC speaker cable
1309A 14AWG 105x34 OFHC speaker cable
1307A 16AWG 65x34 OFHC speaker cable

I am a small upstart home theater/automation installer and have modeled all of my cabling from Bluejeans and Audioholics testing/suggestions. In other words I use Belden products across the board for most every interconnect. I have been using Belden 5T00UP 10AWG 65x28 ETP speaker cable in combination with WBT knockoff locking banana plugs. In reading posts on other various sites regarding Belden 1313A speaker cable I had to bring some in for testing in my home system.

I first have to comment regarding OFC/OFHC vers. ETP copper. I live in the Gulf Islands on the west coast of Canada. This is a coastal area obviously and a temperate rain forest. It's very humid here and the air is "salty". With that being said I have to post experience with 5T00UP oxidizing RAPIDLY. When I was replacing the 5T00UP with 1313A I was shocked when I looked at the amount and rapid nature of the oxidization on the ETP 65x38 strands. In some places it was almost going green! wow what an eye opener. In looking at another install where I used a big box brand OFC speaker cable using the same WBT knockoff also in an ocean front location I noticed WAY LESS oxidization…

After replacing the 5T00UP with 1313A I gave the system a listen. Hmmm... I won't post any adjectives/BS lingo to describe the difference. In a word... BETTER another word... CLEANER perhaps one more... LOUDER (higher SPL per same location on AVR4306 volume knob). In wondering if it was oxidization on the conductors inside the WBT knockoff locking bananas (GLS audio clones) I in-turn swapped them out for solid copper/gold plated bananas found at monoprice. Again no more adjectives/BS lingo in a word IMPROVED... I could actually hear an improvement listening to tracks I know intimately with changes in banana plug and speaker cable.

With this experience in hand and a hacksaw I cut through a WBT knockoff only to find the thing is made of CHEAP BRASS. I can’t help but wonder what affect the termination (banana used and it’s materials) has on the performance of a speaker cable segment. In my experience it does make a difference. I wonder if Audioholics testing regarding speaker cables had taken into consideration the materials used in the banana plugs and it’s affect on performance. To my ears it does make a difference. I also wonder if any testing can be done regarding the strand count. Belden 1313A is 259x34 while Belden 5T00UP is 65x28. In my experience 1313A sounds better than 5T00UP while using the same solid copper gold plated monoprice banana.

All tests where done with Denon AVR-4306 with Axiom’s flagship theater package. Also of note is the solid copper gold plated monoprice bananas can be stacked. This allowed me to replace the thin bridge plate to the second set of posts on the M80 v2 used for bridging when not bi-amping with a 3” piece of 1313A to another monoprice banana. Again an improvement. I wonder if anyone has even considered the materials (cheap brass/gold plated aluminum) used for banana plugs and binding post bridging plates.

Other please post experience regarding ETP oxidization, cable strand count and banana plug/binding post bridge plate materials and their affect on their system and “audio palate” LOL

Solid-State

PS ok sorry I had to post at least one line of that bourgeoisie fartsy BS "smoothsaying" "

End quote.

Oh, never mind. I probably quoted it wrong, I'm old... and deaf and I don't understand how these here complicated internets work.


Edited by jollo (08/23/09 12:42 AM)
Edit Reason: Come to think of it mud don't hurt

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#270217 - 08/23/09 12:41 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: Joebob]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Here it’s back posting on Saturday night…and I thought I had sad excuse for a social life.

 Originally Posted By: jollo

Be not afraid young Padawan, strong with the axioms, the force is.

I thought you were suppose to be Gandalf but now your sounding like Obi-Wan Kenobi and your avatar looks like your doing an Albert Einstein imitation. Are you on witness protection or something?

 Originally Posted By: jollo

Nevermind.



Well said sir.

If our distinguished guest’s foul language get this poet deleted will I loose the post count I’m racking up here?
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#270218 - 08/23/09 12:50 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 08/07/09
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Loc: Earth
 Originally Posted By: grunt
Are you on witness protection or something?

No, it's a hemorrhoid reduction program.

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#270219 - 08/23/09 12:51 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: grunt]
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I have a nice adjective for his audio palate, choclatey! Unfortunetly solid-state is a victim of the many audio mythologies, re: speaker wire, interconnects.
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#270221 - 08/23/09 01:36 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: BlueJays1]
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Registered: 12/04/06
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Loc: Nirvana
 Originally Posted By: jollo

No, it's a hemorrhoid reduction program.


That would make a good avatar for our troll.

Ok Joe, your screen name is really messing with my dyslexia so if I ever “quote” a response from “Jello” don’t be offended. Caught it this time.

 Originally Posted By: Dr. House

Unfortunetly solid-state is a victim of the many audio mythologies…


I was going to go with Paranoid schizophrenia

But you’re the doctor. ;\)
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#270223 - 08/23/09 02:04 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: BlueJays1]
SolidState Offline
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Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124
Actually that WBT knockoff was cheap cast. Again I will sight my two mantras, "Within Reason" and "Law of Diminishing Returns". I don't believe most of that horse poop as you poignantly suggest. This should be obvious with my exposition of pseudoscience audio product companies and said review sites and their obviously questionable journalistic integrity. With regard to the earlier post I was simply pointing out that Belden 5T00UP has given me oxidization problems in a salty, humid environment IE oceanfront. Also I was trying to tell people about the WBT knockoff being made of very cheap cast x metal. Between the oxidation and the change to a copper banana plug the sound changed. This is all I was pointing out. Owhh and also that Belden has another SKU that's OFC that shouldn't oxidize as quickly. Also I was just questioning the fact the 1313A has a higher strand count than the 5T00UP sku I had been using and might sound different. It was more of a question than anything.

Basically I was trying to say, "Hey guys I swapped some Belden 5T00UP that was oxidized with knockoff WBT bananas for some Belden 1313A with copper plugs and noticed the volume increased and it sounded better." To use that to put me in the same league as the people I sighted earlier is such a troll. Why are you guys egging me on at this point? You are not helping your cause. What ever and whomever that may be.

Solid-State


Edited by SolidState (08/23/09 02:48 AM)

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#270225 - 08/23/09 02:26 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: grunt]
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Registered: 08/07/09
Posts: 93
Loc: Earth
Hey Grunt, it's all good. I'm hard to offend and I'm just trying to have some fun. I enjoy your posts. Feel free to call me whatever.

Anyway, this whole thing, it smells like teen spirit (if you catch my drift).

I am the Doctor. Wait, no I'm Gandalf, no wait... I'm Batman.

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#270231 - 08/23/09 05:56 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: Joebob]
SolidState Offline
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Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124
Man I have been laughing my ass of at Machinadynamica... is it for Real or is it PARODY?

And laughing and laughing and laughing!!!

OMG It's gotta be a parody site ROTFL

Geoff Kait...

Geoff Kay...

hmm...

Jeff Kait... "have I heard that name before... hmm..."

JeffK !!! AHAHAHAH I remeber JeffK the l33t Hax0r ROTFL LOL LOL LOL

In case you don't know the Hax0r Jeff of somethingawful.com fame

Ok please tell me this is a parody site...

I find this...

form talk...

Then this!

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Geoff+Kait&meta=

If it's not parody or some-kinda strange masonic audio industry insider ongoing joke (with complimentary $$$ stream) I don't know what to say other than it's the funniest serendipitous irony I have ever encountered!

Plus it's really taken the edge off this roller-coaster ride of a forum encounter! (I really did seriously laugh for 20 minutes LOL)

Solid-State


Edited by SolidState (08/23/09 06:04 AM)

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#270234 - 08/23/09 06:28 AM Re: Skiing Ninja. Anyone heard of this [Re: SolidState]
SolidState Offline
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Registered: 11/08/06
Posts: 124
Positive-feedback.com attempting to save face ROTFL

Axiom! I'm sorry if I've hurt you in any way! I really do like your speakers! Well all but one really... with another "audiophile" critique on vertical axis and cancellation/combing artifacts on one other model.

As anyone can see, from prior posts, I placed them on cinder blocks and it helped a lot. With the ear at the NRC mike test height the M80v2 does sound good but they have to be on cinder blocks LOL. Ironically in fact I think the strange tweeters dispersion/cancellation/interference pattern actually works with his crazy room acoustically ROTFL. If I post shots at 180 the other "pinheads" will understand why.

I do feel Axiom is an upfront honest company with the best attitude towards pleasing customers in the business. With my seemingly plethora of problems (other seem to think I claim) I can attest to that.

I just can't help feel disappointed that Axiom associates with some questionable review sites that give clearly pseudoscience audio products very positive reviews. It takes away the validity that Axiom do in fact make a great product. A great "bang for the buck" with "good duty" that will blow the doors off of pretty much any box-store product at it's price point. Also they have a neat production/assembly marketing model that allows for all these fantastic custom finishing possibilities whilst keeping the price down.




Edited by SolidState (08/23/09 07:06 AM)

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