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#277452 - 11/03/09 09:45 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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An SSD or Solid State Drive is all electronic flash memory so no whirling disks and rpm speeds to worry about. That is why they are much faster. At this point though, all you worry about is your wallet. Hopefully they will get cheaper as time goes by.
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#277454 - 11/03/09 10:08 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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 Originally Posted By: MarkSJohnson
Excuse my ignorance....

Aren't faster drives (10K and 15K) less reliable?


Murph is right that spin speed isn't applicable with SSD, but to answer your question, I hadn't heard that about 10k/15k drives. I work for a managed hosting company and the only thing we use are 10k drives or faster. (though maybe enterprise class drives don't have the same problems you've heard about with consumer grade drives).

Either way, just get an SSD and you don't have to worry about it. \:\)
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#277456 - 11/03/09 10:48 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: myrison]
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Not as far as I know. Pretty much all SAS and SCSI server drives are 10 or 15K, and they're far more reliable than the 7200 and 5400 RPM SATA disks out there. I don't know if the 10K SATA disks are more or less reliable than the 7200RPM ones.
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#277458 - 11/03/09 10:49 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: Ken.C]
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If you get the right SSD, if it doesn't get slower with time, if it doesn't erase all your data when you do a firmware upgrade...
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#277460 - 11/03/09 11:07 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: myrison]
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My RAID1 15k SAS drives get me to the Win7 login screen in under 30 seconds also. The rest of your performance numbers are very much in line with what I see too.

As for 10/15k drives being less reliable, I've not found that to be true. But then again, I've always installed them with plenty of breathing room, and multiple fans blowing over them. That's just how server-class chassis are built. Although I had one 15k drive running on my desk with no fan, and just about burned myself when I touched it. They do get hot if not properly cooled. But SCSI/SAS drives have better warranties than SATA; I don't think drive makers would be taking the loss of longer coverage if they were more prone to failure.
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#277461 - 11/03/09 11:09 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: ClubNeon]
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Interesting about the drive lifespan...and I didn't realize that an SSD was solid state....
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#277463 - 11/03/09 11:27 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: MarkSJohnson]
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While on the subject of these 2.5" SSDs. Has anyone here seen a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter bracket, which would allow the 2.5" drive to be used in a 3.5" hotswap sled? The problem with all the adapter kits I've seen is they center the 2.5" drive in the bay. That's not a problem when running wires to the drive, but it is when plugging it into a fixed backplane. The data/power connectors on a 2.5" drive are the same distance from the edge as with the 3.5" models. So a proper adapter would only extend the side of the drive farthest away from the connectors.

I have blade servers which I'd love to remove all the moving parts from, but since they have 3.5" hotswap bays I'm left with using spinning disks, because that's all I can mount. ... I should probably just make them netboot anyway, because all their data is stored on an iSCSI server, and the boot drive would be useless if that machine wasn't available.
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#280628 - 11/26/09 12:53 PM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: CV]
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If you think USB 3.0 will be a need for you in the near future. Here is the first motherboard I have seen that has USB 3.0 with a pretty decent spec sheet to match. At least one that currently available.

Asus MB with USB 3.0
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#280640 - 11/26/09 04:50 PM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: Murph]
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Hey, I was hoping some USB 3.0 mobos would hit before I got around to buying one. Thanks for the link.
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#282482 - 12/15/09 02:35 AM Re: Windows 7 PC Build [Re: CV]
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My friend was finally able to get one of the 160 GB Intel SSDs, so now I'll really have to start getting the rest of the pieces of the system. I'm still unsure what I'm doing for motherboard, but it'll probably be a month or so before I buy one, so I have time.
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