Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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The M60 does not get you anything over the M22 plus a sub.
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Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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What I'm trying to say, but not, is let him have a chance to dial the system in, find the sweet spots before he upgrades, is disappointed etc. Seems as if most are encouraging an upgrade.
But I could be wrong, happens all the time I tend to agree with you here.
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Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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I'll repeat my post of last night with an explanation. The M60 gives you nothing extra. I did a direct comparison of the M60 vs. M22 and sub and was surprised at how similar they sound (ie almost identical).
You WILL, however, lose out on the low bass of the EP350 and the visceral impact that gives to movies.
If you do decide to upgrade, go directly to the M80.
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Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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Thanks for you help guys! I decided to keep my M22's and don't upgrade, since I am very happy with them as I have mentioned on other post I made. After discovering the beauty of Dolby Prologic II for playing music there is no missing things on the hearing no longer. Just have to take a little more time to get all the speakers on the right spot. Haven't found the right place for the sub yet, even though I tried to put it right in front of me as Grunt advised me I still believe that it could sound a little better for movies. Have been thinking of getting a pair of M3 to get zone 2 on the kitchen. Should I get another pair of M22 instead?
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Since bass seems important to you, you should probably stick with the M22s. They can produce more actual bass than the M3s. While the M3s without any other reference can sound like their making more low bass, because it is accented by the slight dip in the mid-bass range.
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Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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Your best choice without a sub is the M3. It will give you a more perceived "fuller" and more balanced sound when not using a subwoofer compared to the M22. The M3 frequency response is purposely altered this way for that exact reason.
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Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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The M60 does not get you anything over the M22 plus a sub. Can you clarify that a bit for me? In a 24x14x7 room with good acoustics , at a loud but not silly volume, how much difference can I expect between: M22's + EP500 M60's + EP500 M80's + EP500 For music? For Movies?
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The M60 does not get you anything over the M22 plus a sub. Can you clarify that a bit for me? In a 24x14x7 room with good acoustics , at a loud but not silly volume, how much difference can I expect between: M22's + EP500 M60's + EP500 M80's + EP500 For music? For Movies? That is something specific to my room I guess which is small. For bigger rooms the M22 wouldn't do so great I guess. Hope someone will come give you a better explanation.
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Scamp, at the same volume and with the speakers in exactly the same positions(couldn't be so simultaneously, of course)there should be practically no audible difference. Above about 200Hz the drivers are the same for the mid-range(two 5 1/4" for the M22 and M80 vs one for the M60)and treble(two tweeters for the M80). Below about 100Hz the sub will be the principal factor. From about 100-200Hz the M60 and M80 have the two 6 1/2" drivers going, but both measurements and listening show that the two 5 1/4"s in the M22 provide strong and smooth upper bass for that range, and this would be the case at less than an extremely high volume level.
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Re: Should I upgrade my M22's?
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Ichigo:
Where is your crossover set for your sub/m22's? You hear a lot about 80hz but looking at the response graphs I'm guessing something closer to 100hz would be optimal.
FedEx says my M22's/QS8's are arriving tomorrow and I already have the SVS sub ready to roll. *grin*
That will give me the weekend to start testing out the M22+Sub configuration. I'll keep you posted.
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