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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
Newf #319235 08/20/10 01:48 AM
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I don’t think two mounting points alone would be enough as Rick says they need to be spread out over a larger area or you still end up with to much torque.


Full disclosure the reason I got M2s to use as wide speakers was because I plan to use those mounting brackets to hang my wides on the walls. No way was I trusting those brackets to hold my M22s despite what the specs say.



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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
grunt #319246 08/20/10 02:43 AM
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Funny... I asked a question to management here about this exact same thing just 4 days and got a responce. I asked since my vp150 must be a version 1 with NO set screw in back, I asked what wouldbe the best way to mount this above my tv on the wall. The responce back was to use the mounting bracket as it was designed to be used with the center screw on v2 and v3, but also designed for v1 without the screw by using 4 1/2 inch wood screws in the holes surrounding the center hole. ( see picture attached earlier in this thread ) So, 4 screws holding the bracket on the speaker in a circular design over a 2 or 3 inch area. I think I'll give this a try.... OR.... glue/screw a back wood plate on the back of the speaker secured by 6 or 8 screws, THEN use the bracket and its 4 mounting holes using 1 inch screws (since the back plate Ill put on will be 1/2 thick. The stress will be spread out and managed by 1 inch of mounting material, instead of 1/2 inch. Makes sence?????

Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
72mustang #319253 08/20/10 03:15 AM
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That sounds like a very good plan (with the extra material glued and screwed to the back).

The bracket seems plenty strong, the weak point is the single screw insert in the speaker so you are definitely getting around that.


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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
RickF #319274 08/20/10 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted By: RickF
Yea and be sure to give us a review of the new VP180. wink

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I didn't know there was a 180. It looks nice, I still do not like the new all white center cones. But if they had this when I ordered my setup I think I would have returned the 150 for it. The 150 is a little weak for vocals. Sadly the funds aren't there to do it right now, and I have to replace screen. Luckily the screen is only material and not a 2000.00 fixed screen.

as for if I have talked to Axiom, I left message, not sure if they'll do anything, I am one month passed my 5 yr warranty - of course. Besides if they do contact me for the sake of professionalism that discussion is not mean for the internet and I'll keep it between us

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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
Newf #319281 08/20/10 12:38 PM
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Newf, afaik, you can request the black dust caps to match your other speakers(confirm with Axiom).


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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
Newf #319291 08/20/10 03:43 PM
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Hello Newf,

I'm sorry that you had this accident so please call Axiom and we'll fix you up, however, in defense of the Axiom Full Metal Bracket (FMB), from your photos and our tests at the plant, there is no question the failure resulted from your over-tightening the center bolt when you attached the center to the FMB. We do have a large warning about it in the FMB instructions( http://www.axiomaudio.com/manual_fmb.html). In the ten years of my being with Axiom, we have had only one other failure of the FMB and it was caused by the owner over-torquing the bolt.

If you over-tighten the bolt eventually something has to give. In your case the collar part of the T-nut that creates the sandwich between the inside and outside of the cabinet wall has separated completely from the rest of the T-nut. Normally you would feel it getting very tight and then get loose again as you pulled the remaining part of the T-nut through the hole and then it would get tight again as the remains of the T-nut came in contact with the FMB.

Give us a call at the toll-free number.

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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
Newf #319303 08/20/10 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted By: newf

as for if I have talked to Axiom, I left message, not sure if they'll do anything, I am one month passed my 5 yr warranty - of course. Besides if they do contact me for the sake of professionalism that discussion is not mean for the internet and I'll keep it between us


Nice to see some people still have class. cool


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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
grunt #319307 08/20/10 06:02 PM
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Newf,

In the pictures you included, it appears that you mounted the FMB upside down (Or in the reversed orientation as they are shown here http://www.axiomaudio.com/fullmetalbracket.html). Did the FMB hold your VP150 in place for 5 years?

I only ask because I am about to place an Axiom order. I need a wall mount for my requirements, but would not have been able to mount with the FMB unless I flip it downwards (as it appears you did). I asked Axiom and they said "upright only" as it appears on the website. I am thinking I could flip the bracket upside down like you did as my application would be for M2's which are roughly half the weight of the VP150.

Hope your repairs go well.

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Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
wbedford #319310 08/20/10 06:42 PM
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Good observation...I for one didn't notice... blush I guess what's done is done....I only hope both sides come away happy.

Re: Axiom Mount failed, ruined large screen!
billy p #319311 08/20/10 06:58 PM
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bill p,

As the FMB is cast alum held together with threaded bolts, I always felt that it could be used like this.

I am stuck on the fence about getting sturdy little bracket of Full Metal Bracket..


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