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A2DP quality? #326318 10/22/10 06:02 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Anyone know anything about Bluetooth A2DP quality? I know it's enough for casual use, but would it be enough to use with a good setup as a primary music source? I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326319 10/22/10 06:04 PM Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California pmbuko shareholder in the making pmbuko shareholder in the making Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California WhyTF didn't they just call it AADP is all I want to know.

Re: A2DP quality? pmbuko #326321 10/22/10 06:06 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Because A2 is cooler. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326322 10/22/10 06:08 PM Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,420 Calgary, Alberta J jakewash shareholder in the making jakewash shareholder in the making J Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 10,420 Calgary, Alberta They are just setting up for licensing R2D2 from Lucas. Jason M80 v2 VP160 v3 QS8 v2 PB13 Ultra Denon 3808 Samsung 85" Q70

Re: A2DP quality? jakewash #326324 10/22/10 06:11 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Well, so much for this thread. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? jakewash #326325 10/22/10 06:14 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA If the transmitter and receiver both support MP3 and/or AAC bitstreams, then you can expect to get that level of quality. But if they only do SBC (more likely), then you'll not even be getting MP3 quality. (I2C, and I2S are also two horribly abbreviated specs.) Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326328 10/22/10 06:18 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA That's what I was looking for, Chris, thanks! Hey, 1900 posts for you! I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326329 10/22/10 06:21 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Cool. And most of them helpful. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326330 10/22/10 06:23 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma As usual, Chris is WAY ahead of me on this. I've been using a Motorola T505 to stream music in my car from my Droid for a while. I don't know if it is the BT part or the broadcast to FM part, but I think the quality generally sucks. It is a very convenient and inexpensive device, though. Amazing, really. Allows me to use the car speakers for phone conversations. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: A2DP quality? tomtuttle #326331 10/22/10 06:24 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA I'm sure it's the FM part. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326335 10/22/10 06:34 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Yeah, it's the FM part. With A2DP it is possible to send an untouched MP3/AAC bitsteam between two devices. That's provided the transmitter has access to the original file data, and the receiver supports that codec. In most cases the audio is decoded into PCM, and then re-encoded into SBC, which all A2DP devices must support, so quality suffers. SBC is roughly based upon MPEG Audio-Layer II, or MP2, which I doubt many of you have ever seen. It's best suited to voice (just not male, German voices, as found my the Fraunhofer Institute). Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326336 10/22/10 06:35 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA I wonder if there's any support for ALAC bitstreams. Probably not. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326337 10/22/10 06:45 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA The protocol is extensible, so as long as the transmitter and receiver agreed on the codec it would be possible. I just don't think anyone's building devices to do it. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326338 10/22/10 06:48 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Blast. So much for re-ripping every single CD in my collection. Not that I've moved the ALAC versions over to storage that actually connects to my iP[ad|od|hone]. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326339 10/22/10 06:55 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA I just checked Pioneer's BT module for their receivers. Since they support MP3 and AAC decoding in the receiver I thought they might support them natively. Nope, SBC only. I fear that's going to almost always be the case. So you're ALACs will get decompressed into PCM and then encoded into SBC. Not as bad as turning already lossy compressed files like MP3 or AAC into a different lossy format, but as I said SBC isn't a very good codec (just really easy to implement in hardware). Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326340 10/22/10 06:59 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Eh, it wouldn't bother me too much to downconvert the ALACs into 256K AACs or 320K MP3s (just time and storage, who cares about that!), but the trick is finding the dock connector transmitter and receiver pair that would work. From what I know, the iPhone and iPad do not properly support A2DP, and I don't normally use those for playing music in any case. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326342 10/22/10 07:09 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Wow, I just now read up on Apple's support for A2DP. It's really sorry isn't it? Pioneer's module would allow for the receiver's remote to step through tracks, pause, and even show song titles on screen. But Apple didn't implement AVRCP at all. So you'd get play and stop. So yeah a dock is your only hope. But it would have to have access to the file information on the player (digital), along with transmitting the raw files (codec support). You know what you need, now it's a matter of finding if someone makes it. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326344 10/22/10 07:38 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Basically what I want is what Steve has (ie, the iPod as remote control), but I want to be sure that the audio quality is good enough to warrant using it with the M80s as my primary music source. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326345 10/22/10 07:43 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA I wouldn't worry about A2DP, then. Just a way to have your music collection available to play through your receiver. Be it by DLNA server to the receiver, or another device. Then find an app for the iPod that will allow it to control what's being played. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326346 10/22/10 07:44 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA heh. I mean an old iPod, not an iOS version. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326347 10/22/10 07:47 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma Wouldn't you be ahead by just accessing the files on the Mac via Airport or something instead? I don't get why it has to be from the iPod and via BT. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: A2DP quality? tomtuttle #326348 10/22/10 07:54 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA If I do it that way, I have to have a computer turned on to listen to music. Since 2 out of 3 computers in the house are laptops, and the 3rd is my gaming PC that sucks down power like no tomorrow, the iPod is more efficient. Currently I have the iPod sitting in a dock with an IR receiver, so I can control it with the Harmony, but I have no real control over what's playing. Less of a problem for me, but more of a problem for my wife. Someone tell me I'm making this more complicated than it needs to be. I usually do... Last edited by kcarlile; 10/22/10 07:56 PM. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? tomtuttle #326349 10/22/10 07:59 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Most of the iPod docks connect by analog out, especially for the older models. In that case you'd be limited by the DAC/opamp in the iPod. With BT you're limited to the SBC. I think it's time to step back and look at what you really want to do, and what level quality you want. If you have all your audio files on a computer in high quality, I'd see how to get them directly to the receiver from there, without involving a portable media player, which I've never equated with quality--only convenience. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326350 10/22/10 08:03 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA What receiver are you using? My 2 year old Pioneer even supports an external hard drive over USB, that allows me to pick what track I want to listen to using an on screen display. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326351 10/22/10 08:05 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA A 7 year old Harman/Kardon. No USB connection whatsoever. I'm probably best served by using an Airport Express or the like and just sucking it up and leaving a laptop open when I want to listen to music. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326353 10/22/10 08:12 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Too bad the Airport Extreme doesn't have audio outs. You could use something from the Western Digital TV line-up. To either store copies of your music right at the receiver, or stream them from the network (or both). Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326354 10/22/10 08:25 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,181 Likes: 1 Ottawa, Canada cb919 connoisseur cb919 connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,181 Likes: 1 Ottawa, Canada Ken, why not use a NAS with a media server (like the WD solution Chris pointed out)? Or just map a network drive if you don't want to fiddle with media servers. I have a mixed WXP and Mac environment at home and it works quite well with my NAS. I use a combination of mapped drives for windows and media server for the PS3. Dan On-Wall M5HP LCR, QS8 & EP500 in 7.1

Re: A2DP quality? cb919 #326355 10/22/10 08:28 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Again, that would require having a computer running, or the TV on if I was using the TiVo for streaming. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326356 10/22/10 08:35 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,181 Likes: 1 Ottawa, Canada cb919 connoisseur cb919 connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 1,181 Likes: 1 Ottawa, Canada I'm an all laptop environment at home as well, that's why I went with the NAS solution as I also do not like leaving computers on all the time. The NAS does have to stay on all the time, but they suck very little power, especially if you let the hard drives go to sleep when not in use - all computers can be powered off. If you don't want to leave anything on, then the NAS will be more trouble than it's worth. Last edited by cb919; 10/22/10 08:36 PM. Reason: clarification Dan On-Wall M5HP LCR, QS8 & EP500 in 7.1

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326360 10/22/10 09:04 PM Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California pmbuko shareholder in the making pmbuko shareholder in the making Joined: Apr 2003 Posts: 16,441 Felton, California Originally Posted By: ClubNeon So yeah a dock is your only hope. Help me, iP[ad|od|hone] Dockenobi…

Re: A2DP quality? pmbuko #326362 10/22/10 09:06 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA It just seems like an elegant solution, you know? I don't mind the audio quality from the analog jacks at all, so if A2DP is equivalent, well, that works... I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326369 10/22/10 11:21 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA A2DP with SBC may actually be lower quality than the analog jacks on the iPod. Oh, if you were planning to use a Bluetooth adapter, it would also be more than likely by connecting by analog. Then you've got two problems. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326370 10/22/10 11:26 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Hunh. I figured the dock connector adapters would be going digital. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326372 10/22/10 11:30 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma Is this fun for you? bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326373 10/22/10 11:30 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Many are not. Apple makes hardware designers jump through a lot of hoops to get to the digital signal. So most just pull off the analog. Most of the Bluetooth adapters take the analog signal, run it through an ADC, and then encode it with SBC to send through the air. It's then received converted back to PCM, and then passed back through a DAC. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326374 10/22/10 11:33 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA <runs away crying> I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326376 10/22/10 11:36 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA I win! Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326377 10/22/10 11:38 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Just for that, I'm going to make you help me troubleshoot why my Chicago office can't communicate reliably with my California office. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326378 10/22/10 11:39 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA Are you using a Bluetooth adapter? Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326379 10/22/10 11:39 PM Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma T tomtuttle axiomite tomtuttle axiomite T Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 8,488 Tacoma Finally. bibere usque ad hilaritatem

Re: A2DP quality? tomtuttle #326380 10/22/10 11:40 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA It would probably be more reliable if I was. Even better, why my VPN connection to HQ is so poor. Let's see you fix that, smart guy! I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326381 10/22/10 11:45 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA It's probably packet loss, or one end's upload speed is very slow. ADSL and cable (or any asymmetrical) connections are not well suited for VPNs. Trying pinging (more than the 4 done by default by Window ping command) the IP address of each side from the alternate and see if there is any loss, or large deviations. Running the ping while the VPN is up may also be very telling. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326383 10/22/10 11:46 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ping -t <host> That'll keep the pings going until Ctrl-C is hit. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326384 10/22/10 11:49 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ah, but one end has multiple OC3s, and the other end (mine) is 10MBit guaranteed burstable to 100MBit going through 3 redundant providers. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326385 10/22/10 11:52 PM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA And what's your upload? Try http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ If it's not that, I'd say it's a configuration issue with the VPN endpoints. What are you using on your end to establish the VPN? Just a session on your machine? You probably don't know what they are using to serve the VPN on the other? Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326386 10/22/10 11:56 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Symetrical on both ends. Downloads from MS, VMware, etc actually get pretty damn close to that 100MBit limit. PaloAlto PA-2000 on the head end, PA-500 on this end. Naw, seriously, I don't expect you to solve (or even really troubleshoot) this. We've been working on this problem for months. It's just really confusing and annoying. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326388 10/23/10 12:09 AM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA One more question. Is it affecting more users than just you? Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326389 10/23/10 12:10 AM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Yes. My two coworkers and all of my servers. Well, all but one, which works properly uni-directionally. Weeeeeeird... Last edited by kcarlile; 10/23/10 12:10 AM. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326390 10/23/10 12:13 AM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA If more than one person is affected, I'd say the problem lies at the HQ. If they are serving a large number of VPN connections they machine doing the work may not have enough CPU power the handle all the encryption work. There are encryption accelerator cards to off load the computation (but they have to be supported by the VPN software). Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326393 10/23/10 12:22 AM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Well, this is a site-site VPN, so I would expect all of us to get hit. At the moment I'm working off the idea that there's something weird in between our ISP's routers and HQ. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326394 10/23/10 12:28 AM Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA ClubNeon connoisseur ClubNeon connoisseur Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 3,466 Western Maryland, USA In the weird category. Make sure there is no ICMP filtering on either end. I don't know why so many IT "pros" think that firewalling ICMP is a good idea, especially when they can't tell me why they think it is a good idea. ICMP delivers a lot of important control messages (not just pings and traceroutes, but those are important too when things are not working correctly). But yeah, this isn't an easy thing to trouble shoot. If I had time, and my hands on the gear to actually try things, then maybe we'd get somewhere...then again, maybe not. Pioneer PDP-5020FD, Marantz SR6011 Axiom M5HP, VP160HP, QS8 Sony PS4, surround backs -Chris

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326412 10/23/10 12:00 PM Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,357 Sitting down somewhere Ya_basta connoisseur Ya_basta connoisseur Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,357 Sitting down somewhere My head is about to explode....... The only reasonable argument for owning a gun is to protect yourself from the police.

Re: A2DP quality? cb919 #326423 10/23/10 04:09 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA OK, just talked about it with my wife. You guys are absolutely right, I'm making this more complicated and hard to use than it needs to be (or she wants it to be). So I'm thinking Airport Express now, unless there is a different solution (at <$150) that you guys would recommend. Source will be the laptops with iTunes, which will have copies of the music library on each. We only have a few purchased songs. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!

Re: A2DP quality? ClubNeon #326425 10/23/10 04:43 PM Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,357 Sitting down somewhere Ya_basta connoisseur Ya_basta connoisseur Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 4,357 Sitting down somewhere Originally Posted By: ClubNeon If I had time, and my hands on the gear to actually try things, then maybe we'd get somewhere...then again, maybe not. My ex said that once. The only reasonable argument for owning a gun is to protect yourself from the police.

Re: A2DP quality? Ken.C #326428 10/23/10 06:59 PM Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 175 Edmonton, Alberta 1 1sweetspot veteran 1sweetspot veteran 1 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 175 Edmonton, Alberta Originally Posted By: kcarlile OK, just talked about it with my wife. You guys are absolutely right, I'm making this more complicated and hard to use than it needs to be (or she wants it to be). So I'm thinking Airport Express now, unless there is a different solution (at <$150) that you guys would recommend. Source will be the laptops with iTunes, which will have copies of the music library on each. We only have a few purchased songs. Just a suggestion-an Xbox 360 actually makes a pretty effective way to connect to your system. You just plug your iPod into the front with the USB cable that came with it, connect the Xbox to your receiver via HDMI and you can control pretty much all functions using the Xbox controller. I think the signal stays digital the whole way doing that.

Re: A2DP quality? 1sweetspot #326471 10/24/10 05:44 PM Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA Ken.C OP shareholder in the making OP Ken.C shareholder in the making Joined: May 2003 Posts: 18,044 NoVA There, ordered the airport express. My wife likes the plan. I am the Doctor, and THIS... is my SPOON!