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#343974 - 04/03/11 11:40 AM M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2
bobt Offline
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Again, i'm just doing as much research as possiable before i order.

I found an older review (from a real person) not a paid reviewer. That had both speakers in his own home. The room size is close to mine at 16X30. To make a long story short, he loved the M80's for treble, was better then the Swan. But he felt the Swan gave a much bigger sound stage, and the bass hit in him in the chest (basically a better bass feel) This is with the M80 V2 version. This was a 2 channel test. NOT a HT setup. Speaker against speaker.

The are a few things that bother me about this test. His choice of amp, and his speaker placement. He was using an Outlaw 7125 which i'm sure is a fine amp, but geared for surround sound, and puts out a "supposed" 125 watt per. Which is fine for the Swan since it supposedly only handles up to 200watts. but may not be that great for the M80.
He was placing both speakers at 2.5 feet off the back wall, 3 feet from the side walls. Which may be fine for the Swans as everything is front fireing in the Swan, but again, not so in the M80's.
It would seem to me the position of the M80's is more critical due to the back fireing ports. 2.5 feet seems to much to me for the M80's.
Any thoughts about any of this???

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#343975 - 04/03/11 12:07 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: bobt]
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The amp power is a non issue unless you want to cause permanent hearing damage to anyone standing at the far side of the room.

You will get more bass reenforcement from the M80's if you put them close to the wall but...

More bass does not equal better bass. Goosing the low end with a tone control will give you more bass too. From memory, the M80's have a -3db point of 36Hz anechoic. In room, that point will be even lower. That will cover 95% of the bass that is available in all music. For most music it will cover 100% of the bass, giving you a flat, neutral response. This is one area where the M80s excel.

Have you checked to see if you can find an M80 audition locally?
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#343981 - 04/03/11 12:56 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: fredk]
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Only your ears and your room really matter.

The Swans look lovely, but I fear that many people are seduced by their appearance more than their sound. They are wholly manufactured in China, which matters to me but perhaps not to you.

One of the things I've found whenever listening to any Axiom speakers is a very impressive soundstage. I find it very difficult to believe that the Swan was meaningfully "better" in this regard. Off-axis response is one of the things that Axiom designs to exceedingly well, IMO.
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#343983 - 04/03/11 01:11 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: fredk]
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Well i'm in GA so listening to these is probably out of the question.
His coments about the sound stage is what bothers me. But agian, he did not say he tried to move the speakers around, try different spacing from the back wall, or anything else. He did say that the M80's took all his poweramp had to give. Which the underlying note to me would be, he really did not have enough power, for his room size for the M80's. Plus the speaker placement(how far off the back wall) may effect the soundstage for the M80's. I can by some of the bass comments since your dealing with 2 8 inch speakers VS the smaller speakers in the M80, but againg , may be due to power amp and speaker placement.

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#343986 - 04/03/11 01:39 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: bobt]
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Well I was not about to run out and buy Swan stuff in the first place. But your statment about them being made in China, dose NOT float my boat at all. The reason my old Polks no longer work is because Polk sent me not 1 but 3 drivers..all made in China..they all do the same thing, POP when to put too much power to them. I can't get the original driver fixed. The China made stuff is JUNK..period. OK with that off my chest...back to the M80's. The position of the speaker 2.5 feet off the back wall seems to much. Probably NOT were i would put it. It would stick too far out in the room. My old Polks sit about 1 foot off the wall. WHAT is the recomended space off the wall for the M80's?????

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#343988 - 04/03/11 01:49 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: bobt]
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You do realize Axiom drivers and crossover parts for their speaker line are manufactured in the far east.

The whole made in China is junk is pretty overblown anyways.

It's not made in China that is the problem but the companies themselves cutting corners beyond that of taking advantage of cheap labour overseas. Lacking quality control is a huge problem (costs $$$), substituting out cheaper parts etc to further increase margins. All falls on the company and not the country.
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#343989 - 04/03/11 01:59 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: bobt]
Jc Offline
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Registered: 06/27/06
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Loc: Sherbrooke, QC, Canada
Originally Posted By: bobt
. . . WHAT is the recomended space off the wall for the M80's?????

Hi, the minimum distance required is only 2" to allow the port to breathe. Your personal taste and room acoustics will be the factors to determine the right distance for you. It varies from one owner to the other and from one room to the other. Once the speaker is 2" away from the back wall it will interact with the room boundaries as a sealed speaker would.
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#343991 - 04/03/11 02:07 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: BlueJays1]
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Originally Posted By: BlueJays1
You do realize Axiom drivers and crossover parts for their speaker line are manufactured in the far east.

Hi, Axiom privately owns a small factory in Shanghai where it fabricates some components for its products. The Chinese parts are not outsourced from a third party as it is the case for many companies. Axiom has complete control over the entire production cycle for all its fabricated goods from their design through their final production stage and quality inspection.
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#343994 - 04/03/11 02:09 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: BlueJays1]
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OK true..you can't get anything today that dose not have some made in China stuff. Unfortunatley Polk went to China to make an outdated driver, which they didn't have to do in the first place, since these speakers are from 1986, and were discontinued long ago. So they payed nothing for them, and you get what you pay for. They work..as long as you don't turn up the volume..but there pretty much junk.

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#343995 - 04/03/11 02:16 PM Re: M80's VS Swan Diva 6.2 [Re: fredk]
2x6spds Offline
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Ola FredK. The M80s do not come close to 36Hz anechoic. Here's the frequency response plot for M80 V2s from Soundstage!



3db looks to be about 80Hz.
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