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#346201 - 04/26/11 01:29 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: medic8r]
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So, pmbuko believes in the theory of evolution and therefore, his theories concerning audio are scientific and true.

OK.

Is pmbuko proposing that if one believes that there is an audible difference among solid state amplifiers then that person believes the theory of evolution is false?

PMB attempts to represent his opinions regarding audio as determined to a certainty by science.

I suppose PMB does not have to discuss these matters any further because his opinions are QED, scientifically proven, and not subject to dispute, which is, of course, how this discussion started.

I think PMB makes my point. As to the accusation of "whining" ... well, no more need be said.
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#346202 - 04/26/11 02:04 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: 2x6spds]
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Didn't seem to me that he linked the audio and evolution topics together. They were discussed separately.

He states his beliefs, you state your beliefs. You're each entrenched, so what next? You gonna spend all your time trying to defeat him in an argument? I mean, it's a free country and all, so if you really want to, go ahead. I cannot stop you. But I can give you some friendly advice: You're tilting at windmills at this point. Why not just agree to disagree?
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#346205 - 04/26/11 02:33 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: medic8r]
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Medic8r, I'm trying to determine if your post count invalidates any opinion you might have on the matter, or if it's low enough for you to be an OK guy.

Those awesome brownie desserts on game night incline me to believe the latter, but I'm anticipating real data on it soon.
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#346207 - 04/26/11 02:45 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: medic8r]
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Originally Posted By: medic8r
Didn't seem to me that he linked the audio and evolution topics together. They were discussed separately.

He states his beliefs, you state your beliefs. You're each entrenched, so what next? You gonna spend all your time trying to defeat him in an argument? I mean, it's a free country and all, so if you really want to, go ahead. I cannot stop you. But I can give you some friendly advice: You're tilting at windmills at this point. Why not just agree to disagree?


I'd rather disagree to disagree. The point is not whether we disagree, medic8r. I think you know better.
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#346210 - 04/26/11 03:20 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: 2x6spds]
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Yeah, after more reflection, I think I get it.

You like your tube amps. Most people here don't like tube amps, even if they've never heard them, I bet, which is another topic altogether. These people think that solid state is the way to go. Your comments about liking tube amps often bring out the solid state crowd, who smack you around like a piñata. Do this enough times, and I'm sure it gets real old. Annoying. I wouldn't want to be a piñata.

So, you point this out. You voice your frustration. However, You did it in such a way that you implied a conspiracy and insulted people. By lashing back so hard, you made it worse for yourself. If you had said something like, "Say what you want, I like my tube amps," and left it at that, things would have gone a whole lot easier. IIRC, Terry (audiosavant) likes tube amps and has said so here without getting the piñata treatment.
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#346216 - 04/26/11 03:40 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: medic8r]
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Lampy, too.

Hell, I might want to try a tube amp some day.
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#346238 - 04/26/11 06:21 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: medic8r]
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Originally Posted By: medic8r
Yeah, after more reflection, I think I get it.

You like your tube amps. Most people here don't like tube amps, even if they've never heard them, I bet, which is another topic altogether. These people think that solid state is the way to go. Your comments about liking tube amps often bring out the solid state crowd, who smack you around like a piñata. Do this enough times, and I'm sure it gets real old. Annoying. I wouldn't want to be a piñata.

So, you point this out. You voice your frustration. However, You did it in such a way that you implied a conspiracy and insulted people. By lashing back so hard, you made it worse for yourself. If you had said something like, "Say what you want, I like my tube amps," and left it at that, things would have gone a whole lot easier. IIRC, Terry (audiosavant) likes tube amps and has said so here without getting the piñata treatment.


No, that's not the issue, and I believe you are aware of this. However, if you can reduce the conversation to your blatant mischaracterization then you can avoid the issue.

Why don't you just go back to talking about Coke and Pepsi, or evolution? That's a more straightforward and honest diversion of the topic.
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#346244 - 04/26/11 07:05 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: 2x6spds]
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Registered: 11/16/10
Posts: 812
Loc: Victoria,BC
Hi guys,

I have been watching this thread and I am not really picking sides...but! You guys have really degraded the OP topic, and he has not said so but I bet you made him feel bad about all the bickering.

I, myself am a "just getting going" sort of guy in the audiofile scene. I get what 2X6 is saying, why not lend a hand and not hand a lend!
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#346246 - 04/26/11 07:29 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: SBrown]
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smile
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#346257 - 04/26/11 08:35 PM Re: Best longterm budget upgrade poweramp for m22ti [Re: 2x6spds]
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Your awesome bud!
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