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#363303 - 01/10/12 03:37 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: CV]
MarkSJohnson Offline
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People giggle THAT quietly?
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#363304 - 01/10/12 03:37 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: CV]
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Nicely worded ian. Though i dont really need to be convinced per sey. A motto a like to live by " what other people think of me is none of my business". I do my thing, you do yours and audioholics can do theirs.
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#363306 - 01/10/12 03:54 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Socketman]
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Registered: 02/26/05
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One trait that has always impressed me regarding Ian is that no matter the circumstances, no matter how harsh others may be due to a personal gripe or how heated a subject matter become he always presents himself with the utmost respect for all of those involved.

That is neat.
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#363313 - 01/10/12 05:23 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: RickF]
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I agree with the SRV guy.
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#363318 - 01/10/12 06:33 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: CV]
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Registered: 11/11/10
Posts: 141
Quote:
To answer JBall while we are on the topic of the 5.25” mid-woofer in the M60: as explained above, it is not possible that this component is running out of steam as you turn up your amplifier with the M60s set to large. The more likely scenario is that your amplifier is going into clipping and therefore resetting the M60s to small is alleviating that clipping.


Thanks for addressing this Ian but I respectively disagree that my amp is running out of power. I have a 250wpc Anthem amp and 500wpc Crown amp at my disposal and the results are the same. As I drive the levels to very high SPL I notice the mid range driver moving in and out rapidly and the vocals don't sound as clean as they do at lower levels. Please don't take this the wrong way as I still like the speakers and this only happens when I entertain loud parties. I tried a pair of Genlec speakers at one of my party events and this didn't happen on those but I realize those are pro audio products with different design goals.

Again thanks for the response.

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#363319 - 01/10/12 06:49 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: JBall]
Nick B Offline
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Registered: 08/05/06
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Originally Posted By: JBall
Quote:
To answer JBall while we are on the topic of the 5.25” mid-woofer in the M60: as explained above, it is not possible that this component is running out of steam as you turn up your amplifier with the M60s set to large. The more likely scenario is that your amplifier is going into clipping and therefore resetting the M60s to small is alleviating that clipping.


Thanks for addressing this Ian but I respectively disagree that my amp is running out of power. I have a 250wpc Anthem amp and 500wpc Crown amp at my disposal and the results are the same. As I drive the levels to very high SPL I notice the mid range driver moving in and out rapidly and the vocals don't sound as clean as they do at lower levels. Please don't take this the wrong way as I still like the speakers and this only happens when I entertain loud parties. I tried a pair of Genlec speakers at one of my party events and this didn't happen on those but I realize those are pro audio products with different design goals.

Again thanks for the response.


At what average SPL did you notice the problem? How big of a room are you running the M60's in? Do you have the amp on a dedicated circuit?

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#363320 - 01/10/12 06:52 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: JBall]
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6722
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
Originally Posted By: JBall
Quote:
To answer JBall while we are on the topic of the 5.25” mid-woofer in the M60: as explained above, it is not possible that this component is running out of steam as you turn up your amplifier with the M60s set to large. The more likely scenario is that your amplifier is going into clipping and therefore resetting the M60s to small is alleviating that clipping.


Thanks for addressing this Ian but I respectively disagree that my amp is running out of power. I have a 250wpc Anthem amp and 500wpc Crown amp at my disposal and the results are the same. As I drive the levels to very high SPL I notice the mid range driver moving in and out rapidly and the vocals don't sound as clean as they do at lower levels. Please don't take this the wrong way as I still like the speakers and this only happens when I entertain loud parties. I tried a pair of Genlec speakers at one of my party events and this didn't happen on those but I realize those are pro audio products with different design goals.

Again thanks for the response.



M80s needed
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#363322 - 01/10/12 07:35 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Nick B]
JBall Offline
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Registered: 11/11/10
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Originally Posted By: Nick B
Originally Posted By: JBall
Quote:
To answer JBall while we are on the topic of the 5.25” mid-woofer in the M60: as explained above, it is not possible that this component is running out of steam as you turn up your amplifier with the M60s set to large. The more likely scenario is that your amplifier is going into clipping and therefore resetting the M60s to small is alleviating that clipping.


Thanks for addressing this Ian but I respectively disagree that my amp is running out of power. I have a 250wpc Anthem amp and 500wpc Crown amp at my disposal and the results are the same. As I drive the levels to very high SPL I notice the mid range driver moving in and out rapidly and the vocals don't sound as clean as they do at lower levels. Please don't take this the wrong way as I still like the speakers and this only happens when I entertain loud parties. I tried a pair of Genlec speakers at one of my party events and this didn't happen on those but I realize those are pro audio products with different design goals.

Again thanks for the response.


At what average SPL did you notice the problem? How big of a room are you running the M60's in? Do you have the amp on a dedicated circuit?


I didn't measure SPL but I can tell you it got progressively louder as more drinks were served. My party room is 50ft by 25ft and I have my system plugged into a dedicated outlet.

I will probably add another pair of M60s to the back of the room so I can have 4 speakers playing into the room where everyone dances. I got the amps, I just need more speakers and I don't want to mix/match.

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#363324 - 01/10/12 07:47 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: JBall]
Wid Offline
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Registered: 06/22/03
Posts: 6722
Loc: The Peoples Republic of Il.
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My party room is 50ft by 25ft and I have my system plugged into a dedicated outlet.

I will probably add another pair of M60s to the back of the room so I can have 4 speakers playing into the room where everyone dances. I got the amps, I just need more speakers and I don't want to mix/match.


M80s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#363325 - 01/10/12 07:48 PM Re: Myths & Facts About Crossovers [Re: Wid]
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Registered: 06/20/03
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Loc: Tacoma
I dunno, better ask Wid what speakers he might recommend.
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