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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
ghost271 #363996 01/17/12 06:40 PM
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I have my M60's set to large, and think it provides a noticeable improvement. Also, I'm not sure that (depending on the size of your room) a 10" sub is adequate.

At any rate, I wouldn't hesitate to audition the VP160 or VP180, as the praise from former VP150 owners has been universal.


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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
tomtuttle #364014 01/17/12 07:47 PM
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Also, I'm not sure that (depending on the size of your room) a 10" sub is adequate.



Is one ever enough? I mean, I just bought the guts (read:the expensive parts) to build a second 12" sub for my theater. I do like bass, but I am going to uniformity of sound.

You are right though. I've heard some good bass coming out of a single 10" (less than ideal brand/model) subwoofer at my in-laws. It fit their bill and works well for their space.


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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
nickbuol #364032 01/17/12 09:50 PM
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Ok. I reset my LFP to about 80-90hz and set the M60's to Large. The room now shakes like a an earthquakes hit. I got to tweak it just a bit more so its not so Boomy. I think i may be better served picking up the 160 or 180 and a 12" Sub. The dialogue is clean and crisp from the 150 but isnt forward enough imho. Can you guys please elaborate and the driver positioning between the 160 & 180 and which is better. Why after so much research on the 180 did they change it up on the 160?


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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
ghost271 #364035 01/17/12 10:41 PM
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i think the main reason was number of drivers. the 180 has the same drivers that the M80 has, and the 160 has the same drivers the M60's have. there is a 160 thread in the "what's new at axiom" forum. All of the answers to your questions should be in that tread.

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dakkon #364036 01/17/12 10:49 PM
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They didn't "change" it; they added another model. The VP180 "matches" the driver compliment of the M80's and the VP160 has the same drivers as the M60's.

The cabinet for the VP180 is quite a bit larger, and it has an extra midrange and an extra tweeter. These factors should allow it to play somewhat lower and somewhat louder.

I'm betting that Axiom would say that the VP180 is the "flagship" center channel speaker.


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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
tomtuttle #364037 01/18/12 12:22 AM
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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
Ken.C #364038 01/18/12 12:38 AM
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I was thinking that Ghost was asking the same question that you guys did. The old "why come out with a VP160 when a VP180 exists" type of thing. And I almost answered it the same way as the # and type of drivers, etc. I think that Ghost *might* be asking why the design difference with the VP180 having all of the drivers in-line with each other, and the VP160 with the over/under type deal in the middle.


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Re: VP-180 Soundstage
nickbuol #364039 01/18/12 12:40 AM
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That was what I thought too.


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RickF #364041 01/18/12 12:57 AM
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Thanks Nick. Yes thats what i was asking about. Why the different placement of the drivers in different models. I'm no sound engineer, and I have no idea why the tweeters, mids, and woofers are placed the way they are in a cabinet. I had assumed that with the VP-180 they had engineered the 'Ultimate' center channel, but then came out with a smaller Vp-160 model. When I first bought my 150 a few years ago,it was recommended that it be paired with the M60/80's so I thought it was the be all end all of center channel engineering for the Axiom line. Of course there is always going to be R&D and things change. By the reviews on the VP-180, there sounds like there is a definite change in the sound compared to the VP-150. So much so that I think I'll more than likely bite the bullet and buy it over the Klipsch RF-64ii. So naturally when I heard that they were coming out with the 160, I wanted to know why the over/under configuration as opposed to the inline placement like the others. After reading 20 pages over at the VP-160 thread (my eyes are drying out) it seems different people have different opinions about how the drivers should be placed and I just wanted to know Axioms taking this approach and how it affects the sound.


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