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#397111 - 09/13/13 03:28 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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Thanks.
I actually looked at some US sites but with the current HDD barely hanging on, I didn't want to risk a SNAFU from a random Customs delay.
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#397113 - 09/13/13 05:31 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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Those darn Canadians.... Oh.... wait....
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#397131 - 09/14/13 10:08 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: Murph]
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Wow Murph, that's a huge boot drive.

We just got a laptop with an SSD for our general manager. He's happier than a pig in shit now. No more, "did you put enough mice in this thing" comments at morning boot.
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#397133 - 09/15/13 07:43 AM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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Go big or go home, Fred. I was thinking it was a titch small, myself, until I saw the array.


Edited by Ken.C (09/15/13 07:43 AM)
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#397135 - 09/15/13 10:59 AM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: Ken.C]
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My 60gb ssd is working well for me. I must be doing something wrong. wink
::slinks away feeling small::
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#397137 - 09/15/13 12:09 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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I saved up and just got the Samsung 840 EVO , 250GB SSD. I'm now screwing up my courage to try to install it. This a bit above and beyond my computer tech level, but my hard drive is going bad and I'm going to give it a try. The software should make most of it fairly easy, but I find the physical installation of the drive in my computer a bit daunting. Wish me luck.

Fred & Murph. Hope you don't mind me piggybacking on your thread.
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#397140 - 09/15/13 05:56 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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I keep reading that SSDs need regular maintenance run on them to keep the data "good" and the "drive" working. Something that does "trims" and such...

I haven't looked into it, but need to myself. If I come up with something, I will share it.


**EDIT: So it basically sounds like you should make sure that TRIM is enabled or seen in your O/S, and turn off anything just reads/writes odd amounts of data to the SSD to enhance the longevity.

For example, here are some "speed tweaks" which are oddly named since they are more about keeping the SSD alive as long as possible... These are for Windows:
Windows Ultimate SSD Tweaks

Here is some info about TRIM:
TRIM - What is it.

And how to check if it is enabled:
The easiest way to learn if your SSD supports TRIM is to run an application like CrystalDiskInfo (Windows). It will tell you if your SSD supports TRIM, as shown in the screenshot.

The next step is to check if Windows is using the TRIM feature. For Windows 7, open the Command Prompt (Ed. note: I had to Run cmd.exe as an administrator for this command), then type fsutil behavior query disabledeletenotify. If this results in "DisableDeleteNotify = 0", that means that the OS is using TRIM and thus is treated as an SSD.

If Windows isn't treating your drive as an SSD—and as such, isn't using TRIM—you should take a look at the properties of the SSD in the Device Manager. You may need to update the drivers of your disk controller in order for the OS to become aware of your SSD. To do so, right-click your hard drive in Device Manager and select Update Drive Software.
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#397141 - 09/15/13 08:19 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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I think those concerns are largely overblown at this point. While longevity used to be a major concern, modern consumer SSDs are pretty long lived. Tech Report is running a test now on worst case conditions with how long a variety of SSDs lasts. No failures yet, and they're already beyond the rated amount of data transfer on at least one of the drives.

As long as Windows is up to date, you're probably good to go. With OS X, if you install a 3rd party SSD, you should look up software called TRIM Enabler.

All that said, you should always be using some kind of backup no matter what kind of drive you're using.
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#397145 - 09/16/13 08:19 AM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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Thanks for the Info Nick. One of our data center guy tell me that longevity is not as big of a concern now, but he also said that may be because automated maintenance is part of the standard recipe they use now. In any case, more information is always better than less information.

I'm much better now in controlling my urges to tinker. I was a hermit for days when I first built this PC, trying to understand and safely apply all of the overclocking options available. Now, if it were to accidentally reset to factory settings, I'd probably just leave them there.
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#397154 - 09/16/13 02:35 PM Re: SSD as boot drive question [Re: fredk]
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The way I look at it, the items that they mention make sense for the most part, and won't hurt anything either. Possibly a slight performance hit if you move temp file locations off of the SSD. I think that the biggest thing is making sure that the drive has TRIM capabilities and your O/S recognizes this and can do the maintenance.
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