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#391490 - 03/27/13 06:48 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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Sigh.... Always the na-sayer's here.

I agree it's still a fat bitch, but they are heading in the right direction. I've driven plenty of Camaro's over the years, and they do quite well. The racers always look for Camaro's to modify for track use because they do so well, but do not cost an arm and a leg.

What do you take to the track Nicky?
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#391491 - 03/27/13 07:23 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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Originally Posted By: michael_d


What do you take to the track Nicky?


LOL I know, I know. I think that the car looks great, but in the wording they talk about the large 300 pound weight reduction, but then also comment that the car was a bit "portly" already, so what... It is now down to the weight it should have been to start?

And it is clear that outside of some minor body changes (most people wouldn't know the difference in the Z/28 vs other Camaros except for the black parts that have been added.

GM's recipe for their "success" is to make a vehicle that weighs what the regular model should, shove a larger engine in it, put on a bigger spoiler, diffusers, side rocker "enhancements", slicker (as in less tread, not slippery) tires, and bam... You have their version of a track car.

I think that the Camaro deserves better treatment than it got. They started with a great looking car with good performance, and rushed on the concept to stir hype about it.

What is the price going to be for it?

Oh, and if I had the funds for a track car that is amazingly fun to drive? Ariel Atom, hands down. Street legal version with lights and such. A well equipped one would blow the socks off of the Camaro on the track, handle better, and be more visceral (exciting) for probably a similar price point. The Atom also has no radio and no A/C like the Camaro. smile

I would end up chipping the front diffusers on the Camaro trying to drive it around town.

Again, I am not slamming the Camaro as it is one of my favorite looking cars at the moment. cool

I just think that GM still needed to churn some more hours in R&D before putting the Z/28 nameplate on it.
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#391493 - 03/27/13 08:39 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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It's actually heavier than that too... It's 300 pounds lighter than the ZL1, but only 100 or so lighter than the base SS.

The thing I like about it, is the engine. The LS7. Same as in the Z06 vette, and not a de-tuned version either. Until you drive a car with this engine, you just can't appreciate the torque band and just how fast it revs to 7100 rpm.

Those Ariel's look fun. I wouldn't swap my Z out for one though. It's plenty visceral for me. Scares the piss out of me just about every time I take it out. I do not turn off the active handling, ever.
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#391494 - 03/27/13 09:29 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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It's impressive that they finally stuck a Vette engine in a Camaro without detuning it, but I'm afraid my definition of "track car" is pretty tight: Until I see it in LM GT spec, I'm not interested. That's part of why I like Vettes so much! wink

And Porsche GT3s. 'Cause daaaaamn.
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#391495 - 03/27/13 10:10 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: Ken.C]
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I like the back end treatment(except for the hideous spoiler)better than the front. Maybe that's because I had a Honda Prelude.
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#391496 - 03/27/13 10:27 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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#391514 - 03/28/13 11:17 PM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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I'm a Mustang fan and I really like this latest generation of Camaro, although this particular one really should be lighter than it is if it was designed for the track. I am a little surprised they were not able to shave more weight from this frame/body.
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#391522 - 03/29/13 09:55 AM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: nickbuol]
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Registered: 02/17/09
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Originally Posted By: nickbuol
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Oh, and if I had the funds for a track car that is amazingly fun to drive? Ariel Atom, hands down. Street legal version with lights and such. A well equipped one would blow the socks off of the Camaro on the track, handle better, and be more visceral (exciting) for probably a similar price point. The Atom also has no radio and no A/C like the Camaro. smile
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Huge +1 on that Nick. That is hands down my dream car. I regularly daydream about tinkering with that car in my garage, then driving it out to the local track, doing some hot laps there and then driving it home. It is not easy to get it street legal where I live unfortunately. It's like a motorcycle with 4 wheels which is right up my alley.
Realistically I'll probably just end up doing the Atom driving experience at some point, but it's nice to dream.

BTW, I think that Camaro looks great, back end and all.
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#391523 - 03/29/13 10:27 AM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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Hey, I looked up info on the driving experience, and it's in my state! Granted, it's on the other end, but ... still, something to consider!

Ken/Peter, let's motor.
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#397865 - 10/16/13 09:11 AM Re: New Camaro Z28 [Re: michael_d]
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