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#391903 - 04/11/13 01:42 PM ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200
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Ok,

So I am getting my M80's soon. I have a friggin Pioneer VSX-1525-K ( sc-32 equiv. ) long story, but that's what I got class D amp.
I am also narrowed down my options, to the three in the subject.
Mainly, for movies, but an starting to watch Music video's.

So, wonder which is the better one as I've read Class A or A/B is best for Music. Class D if I am using for a PA system, which is not the case.

Outlaws are $1500
ADA-1000 will cost $1200
Emotiva will cost $977


Edited by troyd (04/11/13 01:56 PM)
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#391908 - 04/11/13 03:09 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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If you're planning on sitting in the same room as your M80's and don't have crazy friends who think clean sound means they should turn it up until there is distortion, you shouldn't need an amp.
I was told so many times and didn't believe it.
I did purchase a 4 channel ADA1000 because I wanted to.
We do listen to loud music while outside of the room and we have remote hungry friends who know how to party.
Most of the time we wouldn't come close to using the power in my receiver which has similar specs.
There are times when my HT gets used at close its potential and its nice to know we have some headroom on all channels when we need it.
Its over kill 99.9% but...




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#391912 - 04/11/13 03:36 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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all well designed amps, whatever the class, (except class B, which is not used anymore) will put out a signal free of distortion.

the only thing they do is amplify low level signals in order to drive speakers, using different classes to do this.

the main requisite is that you have enough power - Watts - to attain satisfactory loudness levels.
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#391915 - 04/11/13 05:10 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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Get the ADA-1000 and don't look back...you can always sell it later if your needs/desire change.

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#391916 - 04/11/13 05:18 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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if you ever need more channels, the Axiom amps can be upgraded.
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#391925 - 04/11/13 09:37 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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Troy, the first suggestion would be that the present consideration of any of those units is premature. When you get your M80s and set them up with your Pioneer you may find that it's more than sufficient.

Some of the stuff you read sounds like utter nonsense from someone not very knowledgeable about amplifier technology. The bottom line is whether the unit puts out enough voltage for the required maximum sound level with the speaker being used, does so with flat response over the audible range, and with inaudibly low noise and distortion. That's it; "class" can't change this. In particular, the statement about class D being for a PA system is absurd.
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#391947 - 04/12/13 06:03 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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Originally Posted By: troyd
... I have a friggin Pioneer VSX-1525-K ( sc-32 equiv. ) long story, but that's what I got class D amp.
...


I understand wanting more power - even if you don't use it it's nice to know it's there. Why ride a crotch rocket or own a Porsche when the speed limit is only 65?

Curious though, what's the beef with class D amp design?

Sorry, I have no experience to help with your actual question.
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#391988 - 04/13/13 10:39 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: cb919]
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Originally Posted By: cb919
Originally Posted By: troyd
... I have a friggin Pioneer VSX-1525-K ( sc-32 equiv. ) long story, but that's what I got class D amp.
...


I understand wanting more power - even if you don't use it it's nice to know it's there. Why ride a crotch rocket or own a Porsche when the speed limit is only 65?

Curious though, what's the beef with class D amp design?

Sorry, I have no experience to help with your actual question.


It's not the Class D I don't like ....it's the Pioneer ..;)

I just need to turn the volumn up to oh say 0db for movies.

I just want to know I have enough power , when it comes to running 7 channels.

Plus, everywhere I read and in reviews every one that has hooked up a 3 ch amp and let the A/V reciever run the surrounds, say how much more detail and clarity and better sound they now have.

Is this not true ? I am looking at the Anthem MRX500 upgrade amd was going to get one of these amps to run the front three and let the Anthem take care of the rears.
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#391990 - 04/13/13 10:55 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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Troy, no it's not true if the comparison was done with other factors being held equal, so that a false impression isn't given. In particular, if the volume level was precisely the same(not just the same setting on the volume control, which can result in different sound levels with different amplifiers), there's nothing that can in reality produce greater "detail...clarity", etc. If enough voltage is being output by the amplifier in the receiver for the sound level in question, that's all that can be done.
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#391992 - 04/13/13 11:12 PM Re: ADA1000 3ch vs XPA-3 vs three Outlaw M2200 [Re: TroyD]
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Originally Posted By: troyd
Is this not true ? I am looking at the Anthem MRX500 upgrade amd was going to get one of these amps to run the front three and let the Anthem take care of the rears.


Was there supposed to be a link to an external amp somewhere in there? The MRX is an avr like your PIO, so not much difference, you would need an external 3ch. amp to do as you are suggesting.
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