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#398534 - 11/13/13 02:27 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Murph]
Crimson Wrath Offline
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Registered: 06/30/09
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Well, I can only have them but so loud before they start to sound bad in my opinion. Maybe it's part distortion but the "brightness" people talk about especially with the M60s seems to become more pronounced when I really crank it up and the high frequencies just become too much. I'm powering the whole setup with one of the older non-elite mid level Pioneer receivers and it seems to work really hard with especially loud cooling fans kicking in when the volume goes to anything over -10.

But yeah...needs moarbass!
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#398536 - 11/13/13 04:50 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Ian]
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Sounds like you're reaching the limits of your gear - probably the amp is starting to protest & going into or close to clipping.

Not good for your system nor your ears, ha!

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#398537 - 11/13/13 06:24 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Ian]
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that sounds like clipping to me.
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#398542 - 11/13/13 11:06 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: J. B.]
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Right. I don't have it that loud often but over time it's been bothering me that I cannot get more out of the speakers. By upgrading to the LFR880 or 1100s with a separate amp all to themselves and upgrading my receiver with pre-amp possibly for the center and surrounds, this problem should then most likely not be a factor, correct?


Edited by Crimson Wrath (11/13/13 11:21 PM)
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#398543 - 11/13/13 11:58 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Ian]
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To clarify is Crimson Wrath running out of amp,speaker capability or both?
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#398544 - 11/14/13 12:26 AM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: brwsaw]
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I'm pretty sure it's the former.
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#398547 - 11/14/13 08:26 AM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Ian]
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Almost assuredly his Pioneer receiver is the 'weak' link if he wants to push the volume. He doesn't state his exact model but M60s can take much more than any mid range receiver can dish out.

Also, I disagree that M60s are "bright". I only hear "bright" if I play bright source material. The term is subjective though for most, so it's not an argument, I just personally would not describe them that way.

Putting aside safe listening levels, I would agree that the receiver is likely clipping when it hits its limits. This results in audible distortion and as mentioned, can damage your gear. If you push it too much, the speaker might fail which makes people think it's the weak link. However, it is actually the clipped audio signal that was damaging the speaker. It's not the speakers fault.

If you need to go louder and remain clean, you are on the right track. Invest in more power. Just remember that once you hit those very loud levels, it can take exponentially much more power to get even just a slight bit louder. Eventually you hit a point where adding another 100+ watts to the total is not even noticeable.

You might try adding a really good sub to the mix first though. There is nothing like having your shirt vibrate to satisfy the loudness craving without even having to touch the volume dial. That won't solve the clipping at existing levels though. You still need more power for that.

In any case, do what makes you happy to listen to music. That is the end goal here.
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#398554 - 11/14/13 04:40 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Crimson Wrath]
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Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
I'm pretty sure it's the former.


Am I reading your sig correctly that your receiver is the VSX-919? I looked this up and the manufacturer claims 120 watts per channel. This is just less than half of the power available in each channel of an ADA1000. However, most likely the Pioneer claimed power is somewhat high. Anyway, that means most likely you could expect that an ADA1000 would produce a clean listening level somewhere around 3db louder (at least) as compared to your receiver alone.

I'm not sure that would be enough to make you happy. However, given that your receiver doesn't have a preamp out, your options to upgrade are limited unless you're willing to replace the receiver itself.

I personally have an ADA1500 driving the four channels of my LFR1100's, with another amp (Parasound) driving the centre and my two surrounds. Is this enough power? Most likely, yes!

Given your taste in music and knowing that you like it loud, I'd certainly recommend the "high power" version of the woofers in whichever Axiom speakers you get next!

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#398559 - 11/14/13 08:46 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Crimson Wrath]
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Originally Posted By: Crimson Wrath
I'm pretty sure it's the former.


I can guarantee you this statement is correct (running out of amp).. I was powering my M60's with one the below amps.. well, the next generation, a CX.. But, the spec's are pretty much the same. The M60's never flinched, and got louder than i would ever want and sounded great the entire way up...

http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/krell_fpb300c.htm
The 300cx is what i have.
http://www.krellonline.com/assets/support/0162_020_MAN.pdf

My "usual" music listening volume is around 90db, in a space that is approximately 2400cu/ft space..

The amp is now powering the front drivers of a pair of LFR's...

Also, i have 2 EP 600's.. The subs will add a LOT of volume to the room, especially in the lower frequencies, for obvious reasons.


Edited by dakkon (11/14/13 08:49 PM)

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#398564 - 11/14/13 11:12 PM Re: New HIgh Powered Versions [Re: Ian]
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Thanks for the input everyone. Yes, my receiver is the Pioneer VSX-919. This was my first sound non-HTIB system and I skimped on the dedicated amp due to cost. Now I have a much bigger room with 2800 cf and a bigger budget to upgrade I'll definitely be going with more power (not $10k, but something sufficient) and probably an additional sub (hopefully I can match my Epik to have dual matching Empires, though they no longer make them). I'll probably upgrade to a Pioneer Elite also.
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