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#399433 - 12/21/13 01:19 AM Re: New LFR1100 woofer ***** [Re: Ian]
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Registered: 07/20/06
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My woofers and DSP shipped on Wednesday, so I'm excited. It's run into a "clearance delay," which apparently means Axiom needs to provide more information before they can continue their journey, so here's hoping it gets sorted without issue.
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#399436 - 12/21/13 01:27 PM Re: New LFR1100 woofer [Re: Ian]
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Mine shipped on wed also. However, mine are in Fort Worth right now. No expected delivery date, but I would assume early next week.

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#399438 - 12/21/13 04:19 PM Re: New LFR1100 woofer [Re: Ian]
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My DSP just showed up a little bit ago.. The Fedex guy said the other boxes (the woofers) should be here on Monday.

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#399511 - 12/25/13 05:29 AM Re: New LFR1100 woofer [Re: Ian]
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I got my woofer upgrade and swapped them all out, so I spent a fair amount of time listening to stuff. It's hard to know how much the sound has changed, but I will say it's always fun to do these upgrades and fall in love with my speakers all over again with new critical listening sessions. I need my basement to be done so I can start doing some real playing with placement, and then maybe I'll finally add myself to the audition list. I know I'm looking forward to having movie parties again.

I can't wait to see what Axiom has up their sleeves in the coming year. I'm impressed with the strides Ian and Andrew and team have made in 2013.
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#399689 - 01/03/14 01:02 AM Re: New LFR1100 woofer [Re: Ian]
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I thought I would be sending the old drivers back to be recycled, but Brent has informed me that I don't need to. Does anyone have a use for them in a project? One of them was being a total bear to take out, so I accidentally pressed in the dust cap and broke off one of the wires, so that would need to be soldered back on. The rest are okay.
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#399692 - 01/03/14 10:05 AM Re: New LFR1100 woofer [Re: Ian]
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I was wondering about that. I haven't put my new drivers in, and was going to call to let Brent know it may be a little bit before I could ship my old ones back.

Thanks for your post.

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#403749 - 05/02/14 01:12 AM M100 v4 NEW purchase. [Re: dakkon]
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I am thinking of moving UP from a pair of M80v3s to a pair of M100 v4.

Issues:
a. The sound of M100 is not a huge jump UP from M80. A little disappointing given that it is costing me near $1700 to upgrade
b. THe M100 sounds muddled at until 10'. Play it LOUD and go to the next room, it sounds awesome. This is very strange

I am using awesome electronics FLAC files, Logitech Transporter, Ayre K5-xE-MP preamp, and 14B-SST (2008). Self-built cables of course.

CONCLUSIONS: The M100v4 is a tiny hop/step/jump UP from a M80 v3. This is just day #2, so I need to wait and see (NO - I do not believe in break-in). I have seen idiots suggest break-ins for Brystons. Call the factory - the will tell you what to use (example: I blew a fuse in the input soft-start circuits. Bryston recommended $0.25/each fast acting fuses. There exist IDIOTS who pay $75 for a gold/silver fuse - stupid, stupid, stupid.

All opinions are mine.

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#403750 - 05/02/14 01:26 AM Re: M100 v4 NEW purchase. [Re: Ian]
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Clearly some things wrong somewhere.
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#403771 - 05/02/14 11:49 AM Re: M100 v4 NEW purchase. [Re: BapchaMan]
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Originally Posted By: BapchaMan
I am thinking of moving UP from a pair of M80v3s to a pair of M100 v4.

Issues:
a. The sound of M100 is not a huge jump UP from M80. A little disappointing given that it is costing me near $1700 to upgrade
b. THe M100 sounds muddled at until 10'. Play it LOUD and go to the next room, it sounds awesome. This is very strange

I am using awesome electronics FLAC files, Logitech Transporter, Ayre K5-xE-MP preamp, and 14B-SST (2008). Self-built cables of course.

CONCLUSIONS: The M100v4 is a tiny hop/step/jump UP from a M80 v3. This is just day #2, so I need to wait and see (NO - I do not believe in break-in). I have seen idiots suggest break-ins for Brystons. Call the factory - the will tell you what to use (example: I blew a fuse in the input soft-start circuits. Bryston recommended $0.25/each fast acting fuses. There exist IDIOTS who pay $75 for a gold/silver fuse - stupid, stupid, stupid.

All opinions are mine.

Sincerely,
BapchaMan - the semiconductor genius



What your experiencing is really nothing new and one thing I learned over the years is once you get in to speakers of the caliber and size of the M80, anything beyond that is going to be, at best, a marginal improvement. I would suspect just from the physical size of the cabinet alone along with the extra driver there would be the potential for some extra bass with the M100 but beyond that, the differences between the M80, which is already a large speaker and the M100 would be negligible. it has also been pointed out that the M100 is somewhat more finnicky in placement and that is why I really couldn't consider them(too many walls). Some might think differently in what they hear.

The difference in price between the M80 and M100 is really not surprising. Back awhile ago I looked at and listened to and compared "Paradigm's" Studio and Signature series. In the comparable models they look virtually identical, however, the Signature brand is in some cases more than double the price of the Studio series. I have heard them both, whatever differences there were, I couldn't here them and they certainly weren't worth the difference in price.

It is an old story in audio. Sometimes when you think you "want"(not need) something better, all it proves is what you already had was as good as it gets.

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#403773 - 05/02/14 12:40 PM Re: M100 v4 NEW purchase. [Re: Ian]
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In my own system I needed to swap the polarity for the M80 and HP's. Not sure why, but my receiver and my ears confirm the swap was necessary.
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